May 15, 2025

"All About The Kids"

"All About The Kids"
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To protect our children...action at the local level is an utmost necessity... actions are needed that can ensure the safeguarding of our students'... Also, 'Cha-Cha-Changes at the Oklahoma GOP ...

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It's time to stand up, speak out, get involved, and

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let's speak intention.

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Hello and welcome to Intentional. I am your host, Mick Meal.

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It is good to be with you today. I really

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hope that you are blessed beyond belief wherever you are.

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And thanks for dropping in and spending a little time

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and your support. Now, before we get started, there is

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something very important that I need to touch base with

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you on. Hey, I want to be real serious with you.

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your order today. Now let's be intentional. It's time for

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the cat or wall. Are you aware of what is

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being brought into our K through twelve schools under the

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disguise of health education. This is concerning school based healthcare

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centers and the expansion of mental health services at the

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courtesy of the World Health Organization UNESCO, the Center for

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Disease Control, our government, a few other entities. They all

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throw it in there. Now that raises many questions for me,

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and I know I'm not the only one who's interested

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in the who, what, where? Whyan howls regarding the scope

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an extent of care, the consent for treatment, the credentialing

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that goes into it. What about parental rights? Who is

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doing what to your child? When all of a child's

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healthcare needs, including mental health, is being placed in your

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K through twelve schoolhouse? Just a one stop shop. There

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you go, education, healthcare, nutrition, get it all right there. Now,

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did you know that when Barack Obama pushed out the

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patient centered medical home model in the Affordable Care Act,

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school based health centers began to be known as medical

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homes for children. It's in the medical literature. It's all

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through it, and words like continuous and comprehensive and coordinated

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care for infants, children and adolescents just used right in there. Now,

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this is a paradigm shift for school based health care

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and mental health services. We got to be clear eyed

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about this, folks. I mean, we have to have wisdom

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and discernment about it, because they are going to be

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providing services such as primary health care for your children,

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reproductive counseling for your children, mental health counseling, dental care vision.

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It just goes on and on and on, and these

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are all being provided in these new medical homes. So

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the implications to me are pretty apparent. You're going to

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move all your children's primary care right into the school environment. Now.

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I'm not sure who saw this, but the KOSU dot

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org reported that two state agencies in Oklahoma, the Oklahoma

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Healthcare Authority and the Oklahoma State Department of Education has

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outlined a plan to expand Medicaid billable services in school

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These two entities that are the Healthcare Authority and the

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State Department of Education have come together and they're proposing

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a state plan amendment. It is over eight thousand pages long.

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We just showed parts of it, and it includes language

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like family planning, rehabilitative and behavioral health, medical and surgical services,

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and other practitioner services. And as I was scrolling through,

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I saw genetic counseling and pharmacy services. So this is

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really raising my eyebrows, and I hope it does for

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you too, because this is a great concern. So here's

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the elephant in the room right now. The primary care

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providers will become replaced with administrators and school based healthcare

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center doctors who will then replace parents as the medical

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decision maker for their own children. Now you're going to say, Mick,

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that's excessive. But the School Based Health Alliance, which is

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the national voice for the school based healthcare, is promoting

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and supporting the expansion of school based health centers across

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the country, and they are recommending that a single, one

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parental consent form with the registration paperwork at the beginning

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of the school year be done now. Signing that form

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would allow any doctor working in the clinic to make

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a health care decision for your child. So I really

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feel like the trojan horse is being wheeled through the

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door and the trap door is about to open. So

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let's bring in our guest for today and talk about

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this with Deborah Campbell. She has worked for the Office

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of Civil Rights at the Department of Education. She was

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a litigating paralegal for special education and founder of the

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grassroots organization Love My Liberties. Based in Stevens County, Oklahoma.

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Deborah is diligently working on resolutions and legislative processes to

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prohibit the expansion of Oklahoma k through twelve school based

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services and health centers. She has also been on My

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show before. She has discussed about comprehensive sexual education in

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the curriculums and it's all being done under the Sky's

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health education. So welcome with me, Deborah Campbell. Hello, Deborah, Hi.

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It's great seeing you.

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Goodness to you too for coming on, because there's a

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lot to unpack here and it seems like, at least

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in the state of Oklahoma, this is something that is

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going into effect in our schools in August of this year.

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And this is a really great concern because these patients

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centered medical homes for children that that's what Obama labeled

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them as, are being created in the schools, and I

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mean they're either being created within the schools or they're

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being as a created facility next to the school or

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very close to the school. So that's a big concern.

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But before we jump in, I want to kind of

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backtrack a little bit here, and I want you to

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share with the audience just a little bit about your

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background and how the prohibition of this expansion of K

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through twelve, the school based services and the mental health

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services in Oklahoma has become your passion.

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Well, I accidentally got into it, as you mentioned before,

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I was on your show talking about comprehensive sex ad

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and my legal research. It was like a rabbit hole

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as I'm doing legal research. Then I just started questioning, well,

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there has to be more to this.

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It's not just you know, comprehensive sex ad.

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And so I happened upon information about what was going

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on in the Liberal States and they were talking about

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school based health clinics or school based health communities, that

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they go buy various names, and then the light bulb

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went off. I saw that from twenty eighteen to twenty two,

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I saw where the previous superintendent, Joey hoffmeiservice laying the foundation.

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So they were bringing it in by pieces in codifying,

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and it was done very quietly. And during this time

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I discovered that there were ten public schools that were

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involved in a palette program for school based health clinics.

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And so anyway, that's how I got into it was

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that gotcha?

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Gotcha? Well, I'm glad that somebody's out there digging into

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this because deb I think it needs a larger voice,

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a bigger megaphone. I'm not sure if people really understand

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what this is all about and the impacts of it.

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But according to the School Based Health Center Toolkit it

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now that was designed to assist those who are interested

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in forming a school based health center or a new

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school based health facility. That was sort of put together

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for Oklahoma, and I think it came from another state.

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They were kind of using it as a template. But

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as I was reading it, it says right in there

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that the school based health centers integrate the essential components

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of the primary care, medical home, in their delivery of services,

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and at its core, the ideal school based health center

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model has many key attributes of a patient centered primary

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care system for children, adolescents and their families. And then

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they go on to list all these services. DEB, Vaccines

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are in their HIV and AID screening and management is

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in their pregnancy related care, Reproductive counseling is in there.

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Of course, they've got the mental health and behavioral health,

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but they've also got what they're calling social emotional learning support,

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substance abuse interventions, dental and envision care. So Deb, this

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is like all encompassing and it reads this thousand pages

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that they have, Actually it's more than a thousand pages.

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It looks like you're building like a freestanding hospital when

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you read through it. So this brings up a lot

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of questions for me, parental rights, informed consent, what are

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their credentials? And Deb, I know that the devil's always

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in the details. So there's going to be some good,

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there's going to be some bad, there's going to be

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some ugly. And what I want to know is if

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you can kind of lay out for our audience, parents,

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concerned citizen, what they need to be a aware of

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what all this means for them and their children.

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Well, the parents will no longer be the child's advocate,

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and the question that comes to my mind is how

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is that going to impact a child emotionally and mentally

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when they realize that their parents are no longer their advocates.

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That comes to mind. The other thing is.

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This in Oklahoma, for them to expand school based services,

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they have no legal authority to do that because school

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based services falls under the purview of the federal law

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IDEA which is specific to children with special needs or

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if they are special education, if they qualify for special education,

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because you can have a disability and not have any

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learning dismill So, but if you qualify under I d

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A as a special education student and you need services,

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then you can receive those. But school based services is

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for educationally necessary services, not medical services. And so when

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they say expand, they're expanding this beyond the I e P.

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And then the other problem is people don't understand that

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an i e P is defined defined under I d

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A as specially designed instruction, so it is not it's

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not a prescription. The schools are not required to provide medical.

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You know, services to the children. And they also go

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on to say that the i EPs you can't put

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medical needs in it. That they say you can put.

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Whatever the medical services are, you can put them in

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an IP or another document and attach it to the IP.

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I don't know if that makes sense to you.

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So does that mean that every child then would have

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an I E P Or are are you saying that

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this won't be for every child? How are they going

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to get away? How are they going to get around that?

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Because it makes it look like they're doing it for

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every child in the school.

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Well, the toolkit that you spoke about, if you go

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in there, it actually says that the IEP is will

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be a prescription authority. So they're going to use an

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IP as a prescription. And again, where's the illegal authority.

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For all this?

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Yeah, to do that?

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You know, this is my point is we already have

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in Oklahoma, we have pre medicaid programs which we cannot

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financially sustain. We have Oklahoma school based Medicaid, which was

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specifically for.

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For UH special education children.

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So in other words, if the IDA funding does not

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cover the balance, you know, the balance of a bill

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for that child, then the Oklahoma school based Medicaid money

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would pick up, you know, the outstanding balance. And then

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you've got Sooner Care, which is for low income families

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that qualify. Then you have and as of April of

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this year, you have Sooner Select where they expanded and

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put in dental envision and those things that weren't covered

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under Sooner Care. So if we've got these programs in place,

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then why are we creating these clinics that you know,

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it doesn't make sense, we can't sustain it. And then

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in twenty six the federal grants to implement these programs expire,

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and it's going to put the financial burden.

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On to the state and the communities.

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So yeah, when you read in that toolkit, when you

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read any materials put out by the Oklahoma Healthcare Authority OSDE,

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which is the Oklahoma State Department of ED or any

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other proponents for.

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This stuff, they focus on the buy in of the parents,

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the teachers, in the community.

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talking about that the businesses, the hospitals, medical communities that

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they have they would have to help sustain it financially.

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So then Senator Buller brought to my attention that the

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schools will become recruiters for medicaid.

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And there's a page in that toolkit where it instructs

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the schools to hold town halls or have a family knight,

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some set up meetings with parents and explain to them

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what medicaid has to offer.

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And like put every child on Medicaid.

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If they qualify.

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So right now, right now, you have to remember, they're

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just getting started. So what they're wanting to do is

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they're focusing on low income children with or without disabilities.

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And then I'm sure what will happen next. I can't

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prove it, but what will happen next will be expanding

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it to anyone.

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Yeah, how at number one, I don't know how we

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would afford that as a state. I mean, that seems

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like a whole lot of money that's going to need

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to be poured into medicaid just to take care of

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the school age children. And the other thing is is

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that is that even legal? Can they do that legally?

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And just say, you know, I mean if you qualify,

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what does that mean? Do you qualify? Because I mean

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to read to read the template there or to just

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look at the state plan deb it to me, I don't.

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I'm not able and I'm I'm not going to say

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I'm an expert at this, but it was difficult for

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me to distinguish. It made it look like or appear

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like this was all all children across the board.

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Well that's the ultimate goal.

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And but for whatever reason, you know, Hoffmeister started this,

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she kept it quiet.

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It's still quiet.

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And you have Ryan Walters who came in to office

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in January of When was he put in office twenty three? Yeah?

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run for twenty six and it'll be he'll come into

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office in twenty seven, right.

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the authority to avoid the contract in partnership between osce

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and and OHCA and ban this stuff.

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But the end I saw an article yesterday and you

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know where he's he's talking to about banding dangerous teachers

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to protect our children from harm. Yet he won't ban this. Yeah.

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I'm kind of wondering if because if the Oklahoma Department,

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State Department of Education, and the Oklahoma Healthcare Authority are

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putting this new amendment together, then it sounds like and

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it looks like that they're collaborating together. In fact, in

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the report that KOSU dot org did, they were banding

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together to put this in place.

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Yeah, yeah, and the other thing.

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And I have written to Ryan Walters multiple times over

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the years about this, and his PR people recently told

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me that he's going to let it play out, that

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he's not going to step in and do anything about this.

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Do you think do you think that I mean, Ryan Walters,

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We we love Ryan Walters, we support Ryan Walters. I

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can't you know, not not to.

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To be.

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Bombastic, but do you think he understands that the Oklahoma

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Healthcare Authority? I mean, it looks like they're going to

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be in control of this. I unless you unless you

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think it's going to come from the state, the State

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Department of Education.

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Well, the problem that a lot of people have because

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people the more people have been learning about this, people

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have been trying to reach out to Ryan. He will

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not make a public statement about it. Like I said,

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his PR people said, he's going to let it play out,

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which implies that, Okay, if everybody gets upset, then he

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can just say, oh, it's the legislator's fall.

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I voted for Ryan. He's a great guy. But when

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it comes to this issue, he's avoiding it. And as

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far as your question, what he knows, he knows everything

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about it. I have not Other people have provided him,

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but I have provided him everything I have provided on

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my research. And in fact, he met with Wayne Hill

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and Charity Lynch and in their conversation, Ryan had told him, well,

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I'm going to call Deborah Campbell and have her come

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in and have a discussion about this.

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I never got a phone call. I'm still waiting for

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a phone call.

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So but anyway, he you know, he you know, he's

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he has.

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An accountability, uh to this issue. So if he you know,

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in my opinion is he's avoiding this for political ambitions.

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And so this is very concerning because this issue, I mean,

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he talks about protecting family, protecting kids, protecting parental rights.

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Everything this man has stood for. When it comes down

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to school based health clinics, it's out the window. And

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you know, he has the power to stop it and

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he's not doing it, and he should be ashamed of himself.

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I'm sorry, Nick, but.

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This is this is this goes beyond education.

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I'm very passionate about this issue. I invested in this

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because I have grandchildren that are going to be impacted by.

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This well, and I'm real concerned because with the Oklahoma

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healthcare involved, I know that there was and I don't

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know if it came from who within the healthcare authority,

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but they connected to the pro tem and they have

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killed lots of medical freedom legislation. You know, they have

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a lot of lobbyists, and you know, we know that

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during COVID there was a lot of things that went

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through the healthcare Authority, the you know, medical board that

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needs to be investigated. And so I really I have

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a lot of hairs on the back of my next

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standing up because I just don't I just think that

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this is going to be a snowball and then we're

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going to, like you said, they'll expand it out to

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every child. Then you're going to have the schools taking

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care of all the medical needs, and then the parents

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are out the door and they don't know, you know,

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they don't know they've signed a consent form. And I'm

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just as I'm reading through the literature and I'm reviewing

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this thousand over thousand page state plan, which again reads

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like you're building a healthcare complex, I'm wondering what is

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being hidden from the sovereign and how that's going to

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roll out, because if a healthcare authority is in control,

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we know what happened during COVID and we know that

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they have killed medical freedom legislation. It's a very big

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concern of mine, and I'm very concerned about the consent,

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the informed consent, and how that will be done. If

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it's going to be one sheet at the beginning of

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the year and that's it. Your kid comes in and

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they feel like they, you know, the nurse or the

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doctor feels like they need to be put on ADHD

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medication or you know, something for depression or whatever, and

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a script is written and off they go to the

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pharmacy services at school and being but a boom. You

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have no idea of what's going on. So you know, again,

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this goes into effect in August. Here in Oklahoma, you

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have an action plan in the form of a resolution.

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We just scrolled that. But the resolution is going to

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be presented at the next Oklahoma State GOP Committee body meeting,

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which should be anytime in the next couple months. I

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want you to kind of walk us through this resolution,

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what it does, how it impacts the new state Amendment plan.

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And how is this resolution going to be implemented once

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it is passed?

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Well, what the what the resolution will do is it

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will protect special education children.

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The special education students. They will you know, they will.

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Receive school based services that are educationally necessary in order

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for them to access the classroom instruction and and.

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The uh.

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The other the other thing that it will do is

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hopefully Oklahoma will be compliant with I D e A.

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Because as it.

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Stands right now, if they if they provide medical medical

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services to special education students and to just students that

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are not special needs, then they're out of compliance.

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UH.

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For people.

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For more information, people can go and read the federal law,

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the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act. If you go to

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the Federal Register, that will give you definitions.

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It will give you public.

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Comments on different things, and you will in there you

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will see what their definition of an i e P is,

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what is permitted in an I P, what is not permitted,

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And it goes on to say that if the child

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they well, let me back up. They define medical or

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therapeutics as medical and they gave examples of physical therapy,

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occupational therapy, speech language, mental health therapy, psychological services. All

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those things they said are medical. Therefore it can't be

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put in the IP, but it can be attached to

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the IP and the services can be provided outside of

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school hours and paid for through the idea funds, and

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so that way the parents get to select the providers.

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As it stands right now, it will be it's the

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schools that pick the providers, not the parents, So they

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have no clue who they're dealing with. So that's one

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piece of the resolution that it will protect them. Also

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by prohibiting school based services, it's going to we won't

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have the issue of Medicaid waste and abuse that occurs

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through school based health clinics. If you look at other states,

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you can, especially Pennsylvania, there's been a lot of lawsuits

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where medical providers for school based health clinics had built

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for services not rendered.

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There's oftends of.

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Abuse and a waste and in Oklahoma, and this is

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just off track for a minute, in Oklahoma, OHCA has

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not done any audits on the Oklahoma school based Medicaid

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funds and they're required to they have oversight of that

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Medicaid mind the last audits that were done was in

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two thousand and three. Two I mean and two two

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thousand and three, they found waste abuse, they found abuse

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of IPS, they were out of compliance. There was a

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tremendous amount of money that all the schools had to

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pay back and there's no evidence that it was ever

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paid back. And then in August of twenty twenty four,

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I spoke to an employee at OHCA and I asked,

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how do I get access to your audits for the

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Oklahoma school based Medicaid funds? And she said, oh, we

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don't audit the schools unless we feel it's necessary. Well, wow, yeah,

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So I have been asking for a couple of years now.

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I've been trying to get a friends that got it

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done on OHCA on the the school based Medicaid funds,

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and everybody just keeps me in a circle. But getting

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back to the resolution.

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So wait, so there's been no response. You're you're asking

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for a forensic audit and and nobody's responded back to you.

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Right, Well, the governor responded back by saying that I

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that I have to ask a legislator. The legislators say, oh,

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we can't do that. You have to you have to

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contact Cindy Bird's office or the governor Cindy Bird's office says, well,

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you either do a petition or you you ask an

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elected officials such as the governor or a legislator.

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So round and round I go, yeah, Yeah, everybody's got

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an answer.

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Yeah.

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And I reached out the AG Drummond multiple times. Nope.

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So you know, I keep getting blocked, but hopefully I'm

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not going to give up.

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I'll just keep plugging.

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No, and and don't give up. And we have One

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of our comments in the chat is that it seems

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like parents need to be have body cameras put on

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their kids to go to school to know what is

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going on there. I like that comment.

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I like that, well, you know, well, parents need to

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start teaching your children, and you can start at a

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young age how to self advocate. Did it with my kids,

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in fact, I remember, and I didn't have these issues

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at the time to deal with, but.

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I had a school teacher call me up when my

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daughter was in junior.

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High and she just she wanted to thank me because

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my daughter actually brought to her attention that a questionnaire

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that the children were supposed to bring home and complete

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was intrusive, and my daughter was able to point out

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what questions were inappropriate and why.

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And I asked her, I said, it was.

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My daughter rude and she said, oh no, she was

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just very pleasant. But she said I learned from her,

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and she goes, I took all those surveys away from

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the kids, and we're not doing it.

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But she said, I just wanted to call them thank you.

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Wow.

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So I mean we need to do that.

478
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And I think that's an excellent piece of advice for parents.

479
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You know, I'm sure there's a lot of parents out

480
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here who are unaware of all this school based healthcare centers.

481
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And it's not just Oklahoma, this is across the nation.

482
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:47.119
So let me ask you this deb that once the

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resolution is passed, do you have any legislators backing you?

484
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Does this need to be codified into law? What's next?

485
00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:59.559
Well, my understanding, this is my first rodeo with a resolution.

486
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The way it was explained to me, this resolution will

487
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be given to.

488
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The agency.

489
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:14.280
You know, some agencies, the legislators, the governor, and the

490
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:21.559
state Superintendent of Instruction. And in that resolution there are

491
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some things that are going to be required as far

492
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as accountability. And I suggest that people reach out to

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00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:35.159
their goop and you can get a copy of it

494
00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:39.000
or go to the Okay grassroots. I think they still

495
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:41.679
have it on their website and they can read it

496
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:42.360
for themselves.

497
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:46.440
They can see what, you know, what this will do.

498
00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:51.400
And and the other piece that people don't talk about

499
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:55.679
is protecting the children from over treatment. You know, when

500
00:35:55.719 --> 00:35:59.840
you were talking about how these clinics are going to look,

501
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:03.559
those parents aren't going to be there, and those schools

502
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:07.079
are going to make decisions, you know, whether the child's

503
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:15.119
going to get vaccines, mr NA stuff whatever, birth control,

504
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:20.320
all these things. But you know, you know that's a

505
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:24.079
concern of mind, is overtreatment because what goes on in

506
00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:26.440
the school and getting treated and then they go to

507
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their regular pediatrician.

508
00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:30.199
Isn't that a concern?

509
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:33.119
I mean, I'm not a doctor, I'm not a nurse,

510
00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:36.880
but I would think that would be concerns for overtreatment.

511
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:39.800
Then you're going to have conflicts. If your child is

512
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:44.320
going for mental health services in the private sector and

513
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:49.199
then you got somebody at the school counseling your child,

514
00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:52.320
is there going to be a conflict there? Right?

515
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:55.639
You see, to see it all the time, saw it

516
00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:58.800
all the time in healthcare, polypharmia. You know, they're just

517
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:01.440
you know, and why doesn't know that the other one's

518
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:03.880
given a med or one doesn't know that they're treating

519
00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:07.199
for this or diagnosing. I mean that that's going to

520
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:07.760
be a mess.

521
00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:14.920
Yeah, And you know, we need to focus on academics.

522
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:22.679
The state constitution clearly states that the professionals the professional

523
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:29.159
scope of public schools is academics. And this goes to

524
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:35.519
my point about staying in your lane, medical, medical profle

525
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:41.280
hunters and educators. Stay in your lane, in your professional lane.

526
00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:46.920
And how about Ryan Walters shutting this down and start

527
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:52.920
focusing on how to improve our state as far as education.

528
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:57.760
Because if you want businesses to come to Oklahoma, they're

529
00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:01.079
not going to come if we're still forty six or

530
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:06.239
forty nine nationally. So we have to have something to

531
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:10.239
attract businesses, which is going to be how well our

532
00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:15.320
schools are. So and but healthcare, we got plenty of

533
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:20.320
stuff out there for families and and and also I

534
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:24.079
this is just another an additional burden on the parents,

535
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:25.679
I mean, the teachers.

536
00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:27.400
Yeah.

537
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:32.239
So right, so that that'll be one thing about the resolution.

538
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:36.840
It's going to end up, you know, keeping body, keeping

539
00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:38.679
everybody in their professional lane.

540
00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:39.320
Right.

541
00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:44.519
Absolutely, we've only got a couple of minutes left. Time

542
00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:46.960
flies when you're having fun. We did have a comment

543
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:52.840
that from our our chat group that one person wrote

544
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:54.880
in and said, it makes it sound like they are

545
00:38:55.000 --> 00:39:00.840
able to use the kids as lab rats' hairy thought,

546
00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:07.880
but deb, I mean, who knows. Well, it's well about

547
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:09.960
the transparency for sure. Yeah.

548
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:13.280
Well, as far as the kids being guinea pigs, what

549
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:18.159
what parents aren't aware of is they're being used as

550
00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:26.199
guinea pigs with research. So we have to start paying

551
00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:31.400
more attention to these pallet programs that the schools get

552
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:38.840
involved with money because these palot programs allow researchers to

553
00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:43.159
use our kids and they're not asking parents, you know,

554
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:48.119
permission for the kids to participate in research being done

555
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:53.639
on testing tools or own curriculum or let alone. This

556
00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:56.000
this school based health clinics stuff.

557
00:39:57.480 --> 00:39:58.039
Zach said.

558
00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:01.920
You know, they're not sex that curriculum or the h

559
00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:05.960
AIDS curriculum or the LGBTQ.

560
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:08.960
I mean, I just go on and on. So our

561
00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:11.239
kids have always been used as guinea pigs.

562
00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:14.239
Wow, that is awful.

563
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:15.760
Dev.

564
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:19.119
I'm so glad that you brought all of this out

565
00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:24.119
and brought it to our attention. Do you have we

566
00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:26.920
have just about thirty seconds here. I'll give you the

567
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:29.880
last word if you want to promote anything or the

568
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:32.400
you know, any of your resolution anything.

569
00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:37.400
Yeah, I just suggest people go to my sub slack page.

570
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:43.159
It's no Oklahoma school based services or health clinics, and

571
00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:48.280
and just read the articles that I've put out. I

572
00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:52.639
don't know if you can add this to your podcast,

573
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.119
you know the link to it for people to have

574
00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:58.199
access to it, because it's a long it's a long name.

575
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:05.119
Well are We are scrolling a few things there DEB

576
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:10.280
so that people can go and check you out. It

577
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:13.559
was a great honor to have you back on. It's

578
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:17.280
a very important conversation. We need to talk more about this.

579
00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:20.360
I want to thank you for coming on DEB and

580
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:23.079
just spending some time with us. But we're going to

581
00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:25.239
have you back and I want to say that I

582
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:28.599
really appreciate you all. Thank you for dropping comments in

583
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:31.400
the chat. We love being able to connect with you.

584
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:34.719
We're going to see you next week. Remember that resistance

585
00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:38.800
is not futile and blessings to you all always.

586
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:39.679
Thank you.

587
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:19.719
It's time to stand up, speak out, get involved, and

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let's be intentional