June 3, 2025

"Termed!"

"Termed!"
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Season 1

Who hasn't noticed that the federal government has become over-bloated, full of furniture that we used to call legislators, and in possession of way too much power...is it time for a 'Convention Of States'?

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Hello and welcome to Intentional. I am your host, Mick

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me OUs. Really good to be with you today. Happy Tuesday.

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Just talk now, mister moore, how are you feeling.

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Leta McConnell, how are you feeling, Lada McConnell.

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Oh, sorry, excuse me. You know, here's my thought.

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We should be able to simply vote and replace those

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members who have been occupying the legislative branch of government

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for twenty five, thirty five, forty five years. Some of

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these members are really beyond the ability to govern, and

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like a dirty diaper, they need to be changed out.

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But anymore, who can tell who is elected, who is selected,

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and who is ushered in because they are necked deep

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in deep dark money.

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Hello Act blue.

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Well.

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In twenty twenty four, a us A National public opinion

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showed that eighty eight percent of Americans across the political

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Spectrum really supported a fixed term limit. And now in

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twenty twenty five, there was a Fox News poll that

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shows that eighty three percent of Americans support term limits

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for Congress. I'm one of them. Seventy nine percent of

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those were Democrats, eighty five percent we're Republicans. So let's

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go right. Today, we have Mark Meckler with us. He

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is co founder of the Tea Party Patriots. He is

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founder of Citizens for Self Governance, and he is the

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president and co founder of Convention of State's Action with Us,

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and we're going to be discussing this very necessary topic.

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So welcome with me, Mark Meckler.

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Good to be with you, Thanks for having me today.

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Thank you, Hello, Thanks for coming on and taking some

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time being with us.

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You doing good where you are?

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Beautiful.

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I'm home in Texas, which means I'm always happy when

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i'm here.

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Oh, excellent, I'm in Oklahoma.

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On your hat.

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Hi, good to see you this form.

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Good to be with you.

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Mark.

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Let's just jump right in because what we're seeing in

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Congress to me is a hauling and it's shocking.

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I mean, we just look at the last four years.

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That we had riding with Biden, and you know, I mean,

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my goodness, the man was to me, that was elder abuse.

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I mean, there's definitely nobody can disagree that he wasn't

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able to put two sentences together. And who was running

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you know, the show in the White House. But members

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are really just kind of freezing up. I mean, we

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saw John Larson, we saw Mitch McConnell. I don't know

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if they're having transient a SCHEMI attacks or what. Nancy

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Pelosi is hobbling on broken hips. Diane Feinstein had to

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be pushed around in a wheelchair. Who knows what is

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going on up there? And Mark, this isn't about race,

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excuse me. In my opinion, it's not about age. It's

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not about agism. You know, we just have President Trump,

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who turned seventy nine. He's as sharp as a shooter

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up there. And I think Chuck Grassley is close to

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ninety and you know he's still on fire. So you

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have your finger on the pulse of Washington DC. What

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in the world is happening in the marble halls of

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Congress in Washington, d C.

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Sir, Yeah, in a general sense, this is something that

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the framers of the Constitution never anticipated. First of all,

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it used to be public service. That people went to

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the Capitol, went to Washington, d C. To serve the public,

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and then they intended to go back. They were virtually

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all farmers or businessmen, lawyers, doctors, whatever their professions were.

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They needed to get home so that they could run

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their businesses and earn a living. And nowadays that a

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lot of the people that you named are people who've

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been in Congress literally their entire adult lives. They've never

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had any other productive jobs. And Ben Franklin said, one

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of the most dangerous things we could ever do is

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combine power and money, and so what we see is

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they have a lot of power, and they also get

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rich while they're there, so very dangerous situation. It's very

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exciting for them. For most of these people when they

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end up going to Congress, it's the best job they've

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ever had in their lives. They get paid more than

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they've ever been paid, not to mention the opportunities for

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corruption and graft, but they also have more respect than

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they've ever had in their lives. They have staffs that

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follow them around and tell them how wonderful they are.

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They have media that often dotes on them. And then

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once they get up there in seniority, the entire Congress

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has to look to them for leadership.

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So it's a pretty heady position.

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And people decide that they like the power, they like

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the money, they like the fame, and so they want

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to stay forever.

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Absolutely, And today as I was scrolling through social media,

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I found some fun facts on x Apparently our Congress

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is getting an.

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Eighteen week vacation this year.

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I usually only got like maybe four weeks when I was,

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you know, working and nursing. But they're only working like

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one hundred and thirty three days in DC, but they're

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getting paid one hundred and seventy four thousand. So someone

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did the math and it was like thirteen hundred dollars

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per day that they're getting paid. And that's really frustrating, sir.

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I mean, you know, all the money raising that they do,

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all the funneling of money to pet projects. You mentioned, corruption,

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broad waste abuse is rampant. There's honeypot schemes, and there's

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blackmail going on. And you know that's why I think

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people say the swamp is real and no wonder their

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approval is twenty nine percent. So will term limits solve

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these issues? And for those who are still out there

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who are like, nah, who cares about term limits?

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Why is it that we actually need them?

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I want to provide a bit of nuance here as well.

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As we talk about term limits, because we can talk

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about term limits for Congress, and I think that's important,

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but term moments for Congress without term limits for staffers

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and bureaucrats, I would say that's very dangerous. We've all

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seen over the last few years the danger of a

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deep state. These are people that have been embedded in

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the federal government for years, sometimes decades, sometimes a lifetime,

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and they consider them themselves above and apart from the

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American people and unaccountable to the elected officials. So one

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of the problems we always want to be really careful about.

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People talk about imposing term limits on Congress. I say

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yes to that, but not if we don't also term

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limits staff and bureaucrats. Because if we don't do both,

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what you end up with is staffers and bureaucrats have

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even more power than they have right now. They'll have

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unintended consequences that will be much worse than even our

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current situation.

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Wow, you know that's a really valid point, and not

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one that I hear many people bring up. So let's

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talk a little bit about the term limits. Because President Trump,

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you know, even in his first term, was talking about

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term limits, and then I think it started in like

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probably all the way through, you know, from twenty twenty

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to twenty twenty four. I know we talked about term

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limits for Congress, and I know he was calling for

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like a bill to limit senators to like six years

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the House of Representative to twelve years. So what a

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bill require the legislators then to vote against themselves. And

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and let's take it even a step further, and how

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do you how do you make that happen? Number one,

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imposing term limits? And number two, how do you use

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how do you get rid of the staffers and the

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bureaucrats then, because it sounds like that's a big part

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of the issue that nobody's really addressing.

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To start with the process for imposing term limits, first,

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that would need to be done constitutionally, and so that

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would require a constitutional amendment. There's two different ways that

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can happen. Both are found in Article five of the

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United States Constitution. And the first way is for Congress

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to propose it, so that takes two thirds of both

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houses to propose an amendment. In this case, they would

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have to propose an amendment for term limits for themselves.

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I don't think they're ever going to do that, but

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if they were, they could choose the terms the length

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of the terms that they deem appropriate, and then that

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amendment would go out to the states for ratification, and

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it takes three quarters of the states to ratify it. Now,

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since I don't believe Congress is ever going to impose

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term limits on itself under any circumstances, they like the

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way it is right now, the way that would have

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to happen is the second clause of Article five says,

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if the states would like to pass or to propose

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amendments to the Constitution, they can call what's called a

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convention of the States. That happens when two thirds of

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the states pass a resolution in their state legislature calling

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for a convention on a particular subject matter, so in

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this case on term limits. And we could talk more

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broadly about how the convention works, but when two thirds

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of the states pass that through their state legislatures, then

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they convene in convention and they can propose the term

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limit amendments. We're much more likely to get that out

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of the people acting through their states than we are

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out of the federal legislature the Congress itself.

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Gotcha.

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Now, I've seen it both ways, being worded that they're

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looking for a legislative bill or they're looking for a

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constitutional amendment. Are you aware of anything in the works

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right now?

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Well, many people have proposed it. Ted Kruz proposes it

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pretty much repeatedly in Congress. Unfortunately, it never makes it

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even to a committee in the Senate.

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Nobody takes it seriously.

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They know that none of them are going to do it,

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and it can't be done through legislation because the terms

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of senators of federal officials are set legislator are sorry constitutionally,

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So what they would do is they would still have

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to vote on it, but the vote would be to

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propose an amendment, and then that proposition, that proposal of

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an amendment would go out to the states for ratification

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before we could put that in the constitution.

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That would take thirty eight states to ratify.

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That, gotcha.

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So yeah, let's broaden this out. Then how would that

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process work and how can we get that process to

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be started? Because I really feel like term limits are

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something that we can all come together on.

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Yeah, you quoted the correct numbers. That's overwhelming in both

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parties that folks want term limits. And by the way,

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the people that you showed are the people that they're

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talking about term limiting. Most people don't realize this Congress

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has more turnover than you would think. The average congressman

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serves eleven years, so that's pretty short. What we're really

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thinking about are the Nancy Pelosi's, the Chuck Schumer's, the

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Dianne Feinstein's, the grass Leads, people who've been there for many,

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many years, Debbie Dingle. That's basically a family dynasty. And

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so when you think of those people, that's who we

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think of when we're thinking of term limits. And so

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the process works like this. If we wanted to impose

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term limits or any other constitutional amendment coming from the states,

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thirty four states have to pass a resolution through their

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state legislatures calling for a convention on that subject matter.

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The way they do that is each state has a

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sponsor in each house, and then they have to go

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through a committee through the full floor vote, and then

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when both houses pass that, that becomes a call for

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a convention. Currently, my organization Convention of States. We have

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nineteen states that have called for a convention and it's

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for three subject matter as one is term limits as

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we're discussing, but again not just for Congress, for Congress

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and any other federal officials that to be staffers or bureaucrats,

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but also be the judiciary, which I think is important.

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The Framers never really intended for people to be in

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the judiciary for forty or fifty years.

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So that's the first part.

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The second part is anything that would impose fiscal restraints

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on the federal government. A lot of people, the majority,

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great majority of people, over eighty percent, say we need

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a balanced budget amendment. Again, this is one of those

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things that Congress will never propose for itself. They don't

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want to limit their own spending. We're seeing this even

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recently with the quote unquote big beautiful bill. I think

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a bill can be big or beautiful, not both. This

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one is both, unfortunately. And then the last one is

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anything that would impose scope or jurisdiction restrictions on the

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federal government. And this is to me, is the most important.

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For example, President Trump is trying to do away with

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the Department of Education. I was in DC recently talking

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to top staffers at the Department of Ed. It's very encouraging. However,

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even if they get it done, the next time there's

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a Democrat administration, they'll just reimpose a Department of Education

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on us. It'll be five times as big, with five

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times the budget. It'll do five times the damage. So

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by calling a convention, you can literally propose an amendment

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that says federal government may not be involved in education

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or energy, or healthcare or whatever you want to limit

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the federal government to back to sort of the original view,

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which was the enumerated powers. So all three of those

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things are on the table with the resolution being proposed

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by our organization. Currently, nineteen out of the necessary thirty

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four states have passed that resolution.

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Gotcha.

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Now we have a little bit of an interactive group here,

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So I want to read one of the comments. It says,

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if we open the door to make changes to the Constitution,

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would that be dangerous? Is this a be careful what

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you wish for situation? Seems like the people in there

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would not vote themselves out.

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Well, first of all, important to remember when she says

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the people in there wouldn't vote themselves Now, the people

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who go to convention are not Congress, Congress, President, the

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courts have nothing to do with this convention. This was

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designed by the framers of the Constitution as a way

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for the people to route around a rogue Congress and

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a rogue federal government that was out of control. So

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these are states that will actually send delegations from their states.

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They can send as many people as they want, but

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every state gets one vote, So whether it's Rhode Island

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or Texas or California, they each get a single vote

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for on every issue, and then they can only discuss

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those three subject matters. So when somebody says, well, you know,

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won't this sort of expand beyond the boundaries, thirty four

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states a super majority, have agreed in advance what the

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limitations are and the idea that there might be. What

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I think the writer is talking about is the idea

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of a runaway convention that was actually invented by the

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radical left keep the right from using the constitution.

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Save the Constitution.

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Ah yeah, I want to talk a little bit about

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the left here in a second, but I do have

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a follow up question. What about those who are out

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up there who make the argument that you know, these

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these you know, legislators maybe are not going to follow

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their own you know, their their own rules, their own state,

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and they may join the UNI Party and go to

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the left side.

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Yeah, you know, that is an argument that I hear

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pretty regularly. So every state commissions their delegates. First of all,

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you have these three subject matter areas. The entire convention

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is limited to that. And remember, thirty four states, a

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super majority of states have agreed on that in advance.

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The legislatures will watch their delegates and make sure they

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stay within those boundaries. Currently, sixteen of the nineteen states

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that have passed the resolution calling for a convention have

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also passed some form of what they call a delegate

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Limitation Act. And these are actually legislation, and the legislation

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says it varies from state to state, but basically, the

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criminal offense, it's a civil offense, it's a jailable offense,

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it's a findable offense if you go outside the boundaries

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of your commission. So they're making sure that they've got

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this thing tied down very tightly, so that even on

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the very off chance that somebody did violate their commission,

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they would end up losing their commission. The state can

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wentdraal commission any time and they'd be subject to criminal

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or civil penalties.

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Wow, that's amazing.

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Now are do you think that's across the How many

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states have that?

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I'm sorry?

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Out of the nineteen states that have passed the resolution

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so far, sixteen states have some form of limitation like that.

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Gotcha? Okay, well that's good to know, you know. So

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you need to have thirty four states, you said?

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Is that right?

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That's correct? That's so the number in the Constitution says

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two thirds of the states.

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Okay, gotcha? So where are you all at?

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Because I saw that you guys were just about to

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get a twentieth state.

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Is that right?

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From your lips to God's ears, I never predict them,

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but we're close. We're halfway through North Carolina. Would passed

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the House of Representatives there, we're now pending in the Senate.

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They have kind of a late session. They start in March,

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so they're still very active right now. So I'm hoping

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to close that one out and get to number twenty

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this year.

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Gotcha.

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And forgive me if i'm you know, I mean Convention

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of States. I may not be using the right words here,

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but would there be a way for once those states

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have made the resolution to set up to encourage them

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to have the resolutions put in place, the legislation put

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in place, so that they will follow the authority of

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their state commissions.

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There's something that could be done to ensure that.

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I'm not sure I understand the question. Can you rephrase

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that for me?

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Yes?

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Is there a way that once the states have said

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their call for a Convention of the States, is there

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a way to ensure that they put something in place,

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whether it be legislation, whether it be resolution, to ensure

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or that you have the state legislators following the authority

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of their state commissions. I mean, I doubt that that's

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something that you can impose or say to ensure that

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they follow along and not stray away and side with

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the left or go yeah.

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I mean, we as an organization can't enforce that. But

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so far, sixteen of nineteen states that have passed the

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resolution have done that, and by the time we get

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to convention, I expect the great majority of states will

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have that limitation in place. But I would say this

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is really important from a legal perspective. I am a lawyer,

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and common law, just normal common law says that when

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you appoint an agent to act on your behalf, the

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agent only has the authority with which you imbew them. So,

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in other words, if you say to your automobile insurance

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agent that you want a policy that has a one

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million dollar liability on it, and then they come back

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to you and they say, oh, well, it's so exciting.

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I got you ten million dollars of liability. It only

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costs you twice as much. It didn't cost you ten

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times as much. You're not bound to that because you

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only gave them authority to get you a million dollars

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of liability coverage. And so when the states commission their delegates,

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they will give them a piece of paper commission it

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might be digital that says this is what you're limited to.

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And if they were to exceed that authority at convention

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and try to vote for something else, that vote would

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be null and void.

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It wouldn't even count.

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So on top of that, the fact that common law

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says can't cast a vote that your state hasn't authorized.

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On top of that, states are passing these delegate limitation

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or commissioner limitation acts that post criminal or civil penalties. Additionally,

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the states retain full control over their delegates while they're

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in convention, and in this modern era, we could expect

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that the convention will be watched twenty four to seven

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whenever they're in session. Anything going on on the floor

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or in any committees will be broadcast out live, C

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SPAN and probably every network in the world. People will

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be watching. And so if they begin to get out

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of control, states have the ability to remove their authority

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at a moment's notice.

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Oh that's good to know as well, you know, because

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there's a lot of people like myself who were not

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you know, well versed in this. So I'm grateful that

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you're bringing up those points because there's a lot of

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people that I have heard say, you know, no, and

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they have objections, So I'm glad we can touch on those.

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The Democrats do seem to.

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Be on board mark with term limits, but I have

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to wonder, and you know, this is probably just me

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because you know, I have trust issues, but are they

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really Because they went after David Hogg, the DNC vice chair,

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over like gender and Diversity Party officer election quotas, which

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is a mouthful, but also he had the audacity to

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say the quiet part out loud that he would primary

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incumbent Democrats, and that seemed to be a big you know,

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no no in the Democrat Party. So is the seventy

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nine percent of Democrats who are four term limits?

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You know?

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Are you know, do you think that that will occur

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within the left? Do you think they're really for that?

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Do you think those seventy nine percent include like the Congress.

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I think they If you're talking about average Democrats, I

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think the answer is yes. And that's really what we pulled.

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We just went out and pulled. There's a reputable, nonpartisan

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polling firm and pulled a broad section across the United States,

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and regular people are in favor of term limits. They're

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in favor of a balanced budget. They're in favor of

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other limitations on the federal government scope and jurisdictional limitations.

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Majority people would like to see the Department of Education

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go away and that money just go back to the states.

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So I think what we're going to get out of

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convention is nothing radical on either side. I don't believe

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you could get something radically conservative out of this. You know,

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on a personal level, I'm absolutely unequivocally pro life. I

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don't think you could get a pro life Amendment out

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of this, because I don't think we could get it

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past the requisite thirty eight states. On the other side,

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people will say to me, oh, Mark, we're going to

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lose the Second Amendment. By the way, that's not allowable

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under this call for a convention. But even if it were.

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Currently there are twenty nine states that allow constitutional carry,

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twenty four states that allow you to carry your handgun

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in the state legislature, fourteen states that allow you to

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carry an ar into the state legislature. So the idea

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that you could get any kind of limitation on the

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Second Amendment out of a convention also ridiculous. What we're

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going to get are the mainstream things. I get term limits,

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We're going to get a balanced budgetment. I think we're

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going to get an amendment limiting the Supreme Court to

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nine that is overwhelmingly popular among the American people left

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and right. I think we're going to get an amendment

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for what they call a single subject amendment, meaning that

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one bill may not contain more than one subject. Most

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states have something like that that will prevent these multi

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thousand page bills that nobody can read. So I think

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there are a lot of common sense reforms that we

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can get. We could define citizenship. I think this is important.

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We should not have birthright citizenship. This should not be

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a fight, and we could fix that. There's another one

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that I think would be very popular, the census. We're

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having a problem with the census because it counts illegal

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immigrants to our country. It counts non citizens to a

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country that are here legally. It should only count citizens

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in the country, and we could pass an amendment saying

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only citizens are counted in the census. By the way,

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if you only count citizens in the census, you're probably

481
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going to swing somewhere between five and seven seats to

482
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more conservative states from left wing states.

483
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Right right, Absolutely, I could see that happening. How long

484
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do you think it would take for something? I know

485
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you've got to get thirty four states, you're working on twenty.

486
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Do you think it's possible, just kind of looking in

487
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the crystal ball, would it be possible to get something

488
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like a Convention of States within the four years of

489
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President Trump?

490
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I do think it's possible.

491
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I think that would actually take the President's support to

492
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get that. Nun to sort of push it along much faster,

493
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and we will woke up after the election and in

494
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the ensuing couple of weeks, we were stunned to find

495
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that we have JD. Vance, the Vice President, as a

496
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supporter of Convention of States. And as the cabinet positions

497
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filled out, we saw Brooke Rawlins become Secretary of Agriculture.

498
00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:17.160
She's a longtime supporter of Convention of States. Pete Hegseth

499
00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:19.759
as Secretary of Defense again one of the longest time

500
00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:23.680
supporters of Convention of States. Caroline Levitt, Press Secretary, supporter

501
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:27.039
of Convention of States, like Huckabee, a supporter of Convention

502
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:31.880
of States. Speaker Mike Johnson from Louisiana, a longtime supporter

503
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:34.880
of Convention of States. What we see as a cabinet

504
00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:38.039
and an administration all of people at a very high

505
00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:40.839
level who are supporters of Convention of States. So I

506
00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:43.720
think the possibility of Trump coming on board and saying

507
00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:45.640
this is something we want to do have gone up

508
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:47.960
exponentially just in the last few months.

509
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Absolutely.

510
00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:52.799
Yeah, lots of them I've saw on the cabinet were

511
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supporters of Convention of States. So what needs to be

512
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done on the local level of the local people get involved,

513
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:03.160
what needs to be done their.

514
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:05.400
Sir yeah, I mean to me, this is my favorite

515
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part of the project. I'm a grassroots activist. That's what

516
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:10.480
I've been doing for fifteen years. Came out of the

517
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:13.240
Tea Party movement, and so I love grassroots activists. And

518
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:16.759
this project's unique because it requires people who want to

519
00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:19.599
do something nationally. We all aspire to see the federal

520
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:22.680
government get get changed and reformed. Requires you to do

521
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:25.119
that locally. What I mean by that is it requires

522
00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:30.240
you to contact your local state representative, now your local

523
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:33.519
state senator, let them know you're in supportive Convention of States.

524
00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:35.640
By the way, folks can do that easily, go to

525
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:39.240
Convention of States dot com, sign the petition. That petition

526
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:42.279
will automatically go to your state senator or state representative,

527
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:44.960
state assemblyman, what do they call it in your state,

528
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:47.599
and that allows you to become a supporter of Convention

529
00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:50.359
of States. And then my opinion is we have an

530
00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:52.839
obligation of citizens that goes well beyond that. It's not

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just watching your show, which is great that people do.

532
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:57.599
It's not enough to get all at your TV when

533
00:32:57.640 --> 00:32:59.400
you don't like it. You need to actually do something.

534
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:02.799
So sign the petition and then folks can get actively involved.

535
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:05.920
We have over five million people involved all across the country,

536
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in all fifty states, in every state legislative district, in

537
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every congressional district. And we have teams that work in

538
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the states and they train people how to do advocacy

539
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:19.880
with their state legislature, how to email folks appropriately, how

540
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:22.839
to handwrite letters, how to make the calls, and actually

541
00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:24.720
how to go down to the state capital to meet

542
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with your legislators, how to meet them in district in

543
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:31.160
town halls and individual meetings. So we really train people

544
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up and help them build up their citizen activist muscles.

545
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:39.519
Yeah, and that is extremely important, all of the local

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00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:43.759
action that is needed, because that's where it really happens.

547
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I mean, and I think we all know that and

548
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:49.240
see that, and I'm grateful to see that there's a

549
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:52.640
lot of people right now who are wanting to get involved,

550
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:58.279
especially with their local legislators. I think that's extremely important.

551
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I want to kind of give you the last words, sir,

552
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:05.599
to kind of talk to us about what's going on

553
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:09.639
at the Convention of State. What kind of things do

554
00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:14.800
you see coming up in the nearby future or is

555
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there something maybe that you all are doing to you know,

556
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work toward or be geared toward the midterms.

557
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That are coming up in twenty twenty six.

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Yeah, I want to start by encouraging people to be involved.

559
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:28.519
And the reason I say that is because if you

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look at Washington, DC right now, we have a very

561
00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:34.880
good scenario if you're a conservative like I am. We

562
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:38.079
have a Supreme Court that is, while frustrating at times,

563
00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:40.840
the most conservative Supreme Court I've seen in my lifetime.

564
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:44.679
I'm sixty three years old. At both houses of Congress,

565
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you know, really only marginally in the House of Representatives,

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a slightly larger majority in the Senate. They're not what

567
00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:52.880
I would want, They're not exactly as conservative as I

568
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:55.840
would like. But we have both houses of Congress right now,

569
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and we have by far the best president in my lifetime.

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And I say that surprised because I'm a huge Ronald

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Reagan guy and that was my first election. I never

572
00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:08.280
thought I'd see a better president than Ronald Reagan. I

573
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:10.599
have to say Donald Trump has been a better president

574
00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:14.039
than Ronald Reagan. He's done more, he's accomplished more. His vision,

575
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:16.840
I think, is bolder the things that he thinks need

576
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to happen, and he's willing to go out there and

577
00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:21.679
get in the fight in a way, in a broader,

578
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:23.960
bolder way than Ronald Reagan was. So I think when

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you look at the overall political playing field, it's the

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best we've seen in our lifetimes. That being said, this

581
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is really important that we're realistic about what Congress can

582
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or will do, but the president can and will do.

583
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We just saw him out of the House of Representatives

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that I discussed earlier, the big beautiful bill terrible. It's

585
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the best we can expect under the circumstances. I like

586
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:47.440
Mike Johnson. I think he's doing a good job. Some

587
00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:49.559
people don't agree with that. I like the President. I

588
00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:52.360
think he's doing a good job. And they both said, look,

589
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:54.039
we don't have that many votes. I mean, we have

590
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:55.960
a very narrow margin. You can only get what you

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00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:59.800
can get. If we really want reform, stop looking to

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00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:02.360
that and expecting it to get better, and look to ourselves,

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because we actually have the power to do this. And

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this is really the important part. If you're going to

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00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:09.159
sit around, if you're going to rely on Congress, that

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00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:11.360
means you say you raise your hand and say, well

597
00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:14.239
I vote and congratulations, I'm glad you do. But if

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you vote and that's all you do and you expect

599
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:19.880
a different result, well, doing the same thing over and

600
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over and expecting a different result, we know that's the

601
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:24.719
definition of insanity. And if you look at the entire

602
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:27.760
scope of American history politically, what we have is a

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00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:31.400
long history. Every single administration in American history has grown

604
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:33.920
the size and scope of the government, with the exception

605
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:36.800
of Calvin Coolidge. So if you're betting that we're going

606
00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:38.760
to be the one exception like Calvin Coolie is not

607
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:40.840
a good bet. What you need to bet on is

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00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:43.000
yourself and the people that we're going to rise up

609
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and we're going to push back. I think we have

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the opportunity to do that right now. And there's a

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reason that all these people in the administration are in

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supportive Convention of States. It's not because they don't believe

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in what they're doing. It's not because they're not doing

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00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:58.360
everything they possibly can. I believe they are very pleased

615
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with what they're doing. But they also know, and I know,

616
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and I think you know that we can do more,

617
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:05.920
and we need to do more. I have two kids.

618
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I have my first grandchild. She's eight months old, nine

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months old now, and it's my job make sure that

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I leave the country better than I found it. And

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right now we're not there. And I think if we

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call a Convention of States and we propose these amendments

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00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:23.199
ratify some pretty simple things that I think we can ratify,

624
00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:26.199
we can leave the country in better shape than when

625
00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:28.599
I came into then when my parents turned it over

626
00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:28.840
to me.

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So that's my goal.

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People should and can be involved by going to Convention

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00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:35.800
of States dot com. And we need people in all

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00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:39.079
fifty states. We're constantly engaged. We have a big summit

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coming up in Indianapolis in September. Folks get involved and

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00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:44.559
start to get into leadership. They can come to that

633
00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:46.639
summit and be with us. And I just want to

634
00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:49.480
encourage everybody, whether it's Convention of States or whatever it

635
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:52.679
is you want to do, whatever your passion is, don't

636
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:55.360
just listen, don't just read, don't just yell at your TV.

637
00:37:55.719 --> 00:37:58.039
Get out there and actually do something.

638
00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:00.760
Yeah, right on, right on.

639
00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:05.119
Thank you so much, Mark, It was such an honor

640
00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:09.000
to have you on such a great conversation, and thank

641
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:14.000
you for lining that out for us and really explaining

642
00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:17.320
it to me and to the audience. I am grateful

643
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:19.599
for that, and I hope that you come back so

644
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:22.719
that we can talk more about this, because we'd love

645
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:24.840
to see a lot of reform and we'd love to

646
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:28.719
see a lot of what you are discussing come to fruition.

647
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So thank you so much, thank you for having me.

648
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You bet, you bet, And I want to say thank

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00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:38.079
you to you all for coming on and watching today.

650
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Thanks for dropping your comments in the chat. We appreciate it.

651
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We're going to see you tomorrow, same time, same place.

652
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Remember that resistance is not futile, and blessings to you

653
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:52.880
all always.

654
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It's time to stand up, speak out, get involved, and

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let's beak intention