June 5, 2025

"Betrayed by Ho$pice"

"Betrayed by Ho$pice"
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Season 1

Hospice is care focused on providing support and comfort to those nearing the end of life and their grieving loved ones...but now the focus is something much more sinister . . ."

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Any health related information on the following show provides general

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information only. Content presented on any show by any host

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or guest should not be substituted for a doctor's advice.

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Always consult your physician before beginning any new diet, exercise,

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or treatment program.

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It's time to stand up, speak out, get involved, and

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let's speak.

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Intention Hello and welcome to Intentional. I am your host,

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Mick Meal. It is really good to be with you

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on this Thursday. I hope that you are blessed beyond

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belief wherever you are. And thanks for jumping in taking

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a little bit of time to be with us. Listen.

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If you're catching us live, please drop a comment in

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the chat. Let's go ahead and connect because we really

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appreciate you and we really are thankful for all the

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support that you have given to us. But before we

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get into it today, because it's almost time to be intentional,

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there is something really important that I want to share

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with you.

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To watch this.

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Hey, I want to be real serious with you. One

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of the biggest scourges caused by the open border crisis

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is the flow of uncontrolled FENTMOL. Seventy percent of last

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year's overdose deaths were attributed to ventanyl. It is a

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hundred times more potent than morphine. Two grains can and

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it is that time. So let's be intentional folks. Today

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we're going to delve into a topic that may be

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a little bit difficult for people to hear, but it

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has to be addressed when hospice becomes euthanasia, and let's

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add to that that it is unbeknownst to the family

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and loved ones. Now, it's true that assisted suicide and

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euthanasia has become legalized in countries like Canada, Australia, Spain, Belgium.

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But here in the United States, there are eleven states

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that have legalized assisted suicide, and according to a group

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called Death with Dignity, there are eighteen more states that

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are considering bills this year twenty twenty five, considering bills

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to put this practice into place, probably in a state

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right near you. So hospice is supposed to be when

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medical treatment can no longer cure a disease, then the

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hospice professionals can do many things to control pain, reduce anxiety,

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They offer spiritual emotional support, and improve here's the kicker,

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improve quality of life for terminally ill people so that

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they can have more time to spend with their families. Now, however,

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what about when there are drug cocktails that are being administered,

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and there's denial of nutrition and hydration that hastens death

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and artificially terminates that life, the life of a human being,

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a precious living soul created by God, again unbeknownst to

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the family and the loved ones. So today we are

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honored to have Marcia join her with us. Marcia lost

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her mom to hospice murder in Georgia back in June

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of twenty seventeen. She wrote the book Betrayed by Hospice

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and Healthcare to hopefully save other people and their loved

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ones from having this tragedy, and her passion is really

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to protect people, actually those who are the most vulnerable,

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the elderly and the disabled. She also has a Facebook

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group that is titled Murdered by hospice. So I want

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everyone to please welcome with me Marcia Joiner. Hello, Marcia,

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how are you.

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I'm fine, Thank you so much. I loved your introduction.

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You could be saying the same thing I'm saying, where

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it was an excellent, excellent introduction. Everything that you're saying

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is true about the youth in Asia, and about hospice,

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and about the toxic drugs that they're using. So I

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appreciate you letting me come on to the program not

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only to talk about my book, but to tell you

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my story why I started writing the book. And as

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you stated, I lost my mom in June of twenty seventeen,

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so in just a couple of weeks, it will be

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eight years that I lost her, and not a day

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goes by that I don't remember exactly what happened. So

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hospice says there certain criteria in order for you to

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be enrolled into that, and my mom met that because

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she had congestive heart failure that's treatable by medication. It

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doesn't mean you're dying. You could live five to ten

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years with it. My mom was living with it, and

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the only other thing she had besides congestive heart failure

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was a left hip that did not have any cartilage,

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and she could not go under surgery to have it

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repaired because of the congestive heart failure. For her doctor,

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so one time when I was down there. She lived

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in Georgia, I am three states away, and when I

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was down there, she became anemic, is what we thought.

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She was a little bit dizzy, so her doctor said,

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take her to the hospital. She goes to the hospital

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and they want to find out why. You know, she's

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bleeding internally, so they do an endoscopy in a colonoscopy.

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So to tell you about my mom, she I was

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very upset because I was afraid for her to go under.

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Because she might not come out. So she said to.

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The doctor, if my daughter is going to be concerned

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about this, if it's going to upset her, then I'm

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not going to do it. Because she was more worried

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about me than she was about herself. But I acquiesced

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because that's what she wanted. They didn't find anything, no cancer,

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nothing else. But then the doctor comes forward and says, hey,

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she qualifies for hospice because of the congestive heart failure.

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My dad at that particular hospice had been the hospice

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chaplain for fifteen years ten years earlier, so when they

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recommended hospice, we thought Mom would be safe. They knew

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how much my dad loved her and they would not

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do anything to hurt her. And all the years that

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my dad was a hospice chaplain, you never said anything

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about people dying prematurely or any question about it. My

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dad was a very godly man and he would have

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never been any part to that. Still, she enrolled in November,

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and in late December I received a phone call from

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them saying that she had fallen and they wanted her

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to be in a hospital bed there take it to

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the house, and I said, you know she would give

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up if you did that. She likes to sit up,

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and you know she talks to people. She's on the

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phone with her friends, people from church. She we had

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a health care person who came in that we paid

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privately and they would sit and watch Pioneer Woman and recipes.

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So it was a very very astute lady Southern Bell.

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So putting in her in a hospital bed was not

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going to be the answer. And I want to say

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about getting medical records, because when I later got the

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medical records, they said to me, or they had put

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in the medical records that daughter never called us back. Well,

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when the hospice people called and asked me about putting

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her in a hospital, I said she would give up.

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My parents said no. That to me was the end

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of discussion. But to them, because my parents are elderly,

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they obviously were not supposed to be making their own decisions.

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So if I didn't call them back and say that,

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then I was being negligent as a daughter. So my mom,

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you know. A couple of months later, her doctor recertified

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her for hospice because she had been on it more

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than six months. She's recertified. He goes to India for

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three weeks. The hospice nurse from who knew my dad,

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comes to the house and says, we're taking you to

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respite care. They didn't ask my mom never said she

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needed to go. They just came in and took her

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to respite care and took my dad. Put my dad

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in her room across the hall from my mom, and

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they immediately started drugging her within two days. I called,

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you know, every day to talk to my mom under

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normal circumstances, and so I called there and she didn't answer,

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and my dad said, she's sleeping all the time and

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she's not even staying awake to take her pills.

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That was an alarm to me.

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So when they had originally told me that they were

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going to the hospice facility, my family was ill at

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the time and I couldn't travel down. It's thirteen hour trip,

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so as soon as I could, I went down. But

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my sister and I told them to stop giving her

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at evan and morphine because they told us that's what

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they were given her. I knew about morphine. I didn't

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know about adavan, but they said she was on a

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fentanyl patch, which you talked about in your opening, and

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fentanyl is one hundred times stronger than morphine, fifty times

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stronger than heroin, and that's what they were given my mom.

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But because she had.

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Received prior to that light a DRM patch for her hip,

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I didn't think anything about it. I should have, and

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I should have researched then, And that's why I say research.

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Do not trust what you're being told.

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I did.

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It cost my mother her life, so I you know,

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time went on. I went down there and my mom

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at that point was in a coma and there's nothing

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that I could do but say, take her to the hospital.

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That's what we need to do. They said, if we

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take her to the hospital, she would die from drowning.

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You don't want your mom to die like that, do you, sweetie.

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That's a terrible way to die. They're smarmy, They lie,

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they manipulate, and that's what they did to us. We

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watched my mom go into this coma and die, and

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in spite of us trying to get her to the hospital,

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they refused. When they came to put a second fifty

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microgram patch on my mom, I said, don't put that on. I'm,

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you know, grasping at straws. If we don't do that, sweetish,

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she will go into withdraws and she'll be in a

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great deal of pain. And you don't want that, do you. Again,

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they manipulate. They are literally trained how to manipulate. My

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mom lost the bat on June the twentieth. Accepting that

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was not something that I could do at that time,

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and now eight years later, I'm still not accepting that.

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So I started doing research looking to find out what

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had happened. Was this unique Because my dad was a

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hospice chaplain or it wasn't happening to other people. And

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I found Ron Panser, who was a nurse, a hospice nurse,

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and he had a site called Hospice Patients Alliance where

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he had blown the whistle in nineteen ninety eight and

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said hospice is killing people. It didn't change anythings. Nineteen

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ninety eight to now, we're still in that same boat,

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except it's happening more frequently across You don't need to

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go and have That is my mother right there. The

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lady is my mother. I want to say that. The

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gentleman on the right, Alan Eisner, is Liz Eisner's husband,

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and she is the founder of the Facebook group Murdered

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by Hospice Wow. So when I joined it, I was

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number one forty. We're now at five thousand, seven hundred people,

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mostly those victims that have lost loved ones.

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And we're going to be scrolling those pictures just so

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people know. We want to show the pictures of the

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people who have been impacted and so as I just

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want people to understands that's who these pictures are of

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people who have died under the care of hospice, are

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euthanized under the disguise of hospice.

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Also, these people that she's showing now are ones whose

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story are in the book that betrayed by hospice and

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healthcare stories from the deathbed, which truly is from the deathbed.

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All of these people died because they trusted hospice.

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So you know, oh, I'm sorry, go ahead. I was

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just going to say, you know what this sound like, Marcia,

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this is hauntingly reminding me of the hospice. Not the hospice,

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the COVID hospital protocol deaths, which I feature many of

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them on my show, but they had that similar feel.

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It sounds like there was a lack of informed consent.

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They're being given tons of sedating medications, all of it

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is being done without the knowledge of the family and

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the loved ones.

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That's exactly right.

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And when you talk about we just had a member

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of somebody that came on today that was kind of

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blasting us and saying that we just want our loved

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ones to suffer and we shouldn't be that way and

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it's cruel to make somebody suffer like that.

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Well, here's the thing.

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well if not all that are in this murdered by

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hospice Facebook group, they're loved ones were not actively dying.

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A lot of them were not in pain. They did

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not go into hospice and say I want to die,

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kill me. They never said that. The drugs morphine, adavan, haldau, serroquil, fentanyl,

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you know, whatever was given to them, they did not

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consent to that. Nobody asked them. You know, we're going

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to give you this drug and you're not going to

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really be able to talk to your family anymore. So

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we just want you to know that this is what's

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going to happen. These are the side effects. You might

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be nauseous. They do cause constipation, It might make you nervous.

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depressed respiratory. And what they talk about is take morphine

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because it'll help you breathe. Well, a small dose of

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morphine is true. It will help some people breathe. That

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is what one of the reasons that they have that

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the problem is is when they start in hospice, they

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give them that and it's the same dose is they

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give somebody else who is not opioid naive and a

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lot of these people were allergic to morphine. It is

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stated in the book that they were allergic to it,

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and they still gave them the same amount they would

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give someone else. Morphine causes anxiety, so they cause anxiety,

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then they can give them at evan, which is the

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same thing as lourazepam. And a lot of times when

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I got my mom's medical records, which is so important

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to get that, and it said that they gave roxanol,

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and I was like, what is roxanol?

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Roxanol is morphine.

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If you don't research and you don't know that, you

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assume it's two different drugs, and you've never heard of roxanol,

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so it doesn't cause any alarms. And at evan is lourazepam.

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So again, if you don't know that what those drugs are,

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you're not going to be alarmed by it.

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Dentanyl is.

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A mind duraj siic and fentanyl and dura jesiic are

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the same thing. Entanl is measured in micrograms instead of

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milligrams because of its strength, as Mick was saying earlier

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about bentinyl in her opening. So these once I did

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my program, I showed told my mom's story on Marty

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Oakley ts NET Radio network, which has gone out of

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business January this year. And after that, she said, I

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want you to come on and be a host and

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talk about hospice because people don't know what's going on.

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And I did that for six years, so coming onto

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your program, Mick, I appreciate it because it is a

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different audience. And my entire goal, my passion in life

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is to advocate for the elderly and the vulnerable. And

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I started writing this book in February of twenty twenty

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four and I finished it in March of twenty twenty five,

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not because I'm really slow, but I wanted to get

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all of the stories right. There are thirty four stories

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in this book, and I wanted to personalize them. These

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are real people. These people lived a life, their families

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loved them, and they were not ready to die. They

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were not die and actively dying, which is what hospice

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was created for people that are actively dying and to

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minimize pain.

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And you know, you let exactly and you led me

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exactly where I wanted to go because hospice was really

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started for I mean I can remember I'm a nurse.

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Twenty eight years we've had hospice for comfort and compassion

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for the actively dying. It wasn't supposed to be euthanasia.

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And so Marcia here there's my question. When did hospice

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care become hijacked by what we're calling, and I'm going

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to call stealth youthanasia.

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Well, Ron Panzer wrote a book called Stealth Euthanasia, and

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so in nineteen ninety eight he was blowing the whistle

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right on this. So we're going to go back as

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far as that. And there was a youthanasia society and

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they didn't think that sounded really good, so they changed

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their names through time. And there is a chapter in

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the book that for hospice History, which lays everything out

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the history where did we go from here?

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When we went to here?

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And people are saying that that's compassionate, that's kieling. Somebody

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who's living their life is not compassionate. That is not

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compassion And you will see in the book, and I

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hope you do go get the book, that there is

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a chapter in there on respite, which is very near

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and dear to my heart because that's how my.

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Mom was murdered.

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And there are cases in there, one of them particular

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Wayne Kindred, when he went in the very first night

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and his wife was just going to get a little

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bit of rest and they talked her into it. It

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was kind of a manipulation. And the very first night

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that he's there, they gave him morphine and he became combative,

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which it can do. And this is a man who's

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opioid naive and they gave him at event, they gave

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him how doll Now, those three words you'll hear a

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lot about in their stories, how doll out of van

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and morphine. And there are many nurse Facebook groups that

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have memes in there where they threaten to give a

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patient who is being combative or the families not being

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real nice to them or questioning them. They threatened to

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give them a ham sandwich, how doll out of n

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and morphine. Wow, that will put that person into a coma.

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They won't be able to eat, manage the right right,

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and they can't think. You know, you can't function and

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it causes more anxiety. It's a horrible thing to do

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to somebody that's rue and those drugs. I'm kind of

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skipping ahead, but if you look at the beer's list

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B E E R S, which is anybody can find

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that on the internet, and it says there are drugs,

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and there's hundreds of drugs in there that are not

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for somebody over the age of sixty five. They're considered elderly. However,

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you will see a sentence there that says unless they're

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in hospice. So if they're in hospice, all bets are off.

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They can give them anything. It doesn't matter because they're

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dying anyway, right, that's you know.

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And the thing of it is is that you are

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describing exactly what I would see in the hospital when

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we would have somebody who was elderly and opioid naive.

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They're they're not used to taking narcotics, and we would

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give them even small doses of morphine, you know, like

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you know, if morphine is four milligrams and we would

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even give them point five, they would just be buck

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wild crazy. So if you're giving morphine and atavan and haldall,

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that's just gonna snow them down, or it's gonna make

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them wild eyed and crazy. I mean, they just it

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doesn't bode well for them all.

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No, No, And there are warnings. There are warnings on

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drugs dot com. If you go to that site, then

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you can go in and you put in that name

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the raz a pam or out of van same thing

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and morphine, and it will tell you putting those two

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together is a bad idea, especially over somebody's sixty five,

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especially someone who as dementia. It says, don't do it,

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and they do it all the time in hospice. Now

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you tell me how that can be compassionate.

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That's just cool.

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Yeah, I'm in agreement with you, and I saw it

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for myself in the hospital, and I want to talk

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a little bit more about that. But I do want

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to ask you this because and I'm just gonna come

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out there because you know, there's this organization. I'm not

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just picking on them, Death with Dignity. They want this

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policy reform, you know, Marcia. They they want every state

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to have an option for euthanasia assisted suicide for people

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that they say have terminal illnesses. But what they are

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sounding like and what it is doing is it sounds

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like it's it's just like something completely else. They just

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want like assisted suicide and all fifty states. So I'm

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wondering what your thoughts are on driving this because I

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saw this as well, and I'm going to talk more

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about this. We'll talk more about this in a minute.

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But do you think this is coming from a place

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of that they want to depopulate as a depopulation agenda?

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Is it agism? Are they getting tons of money for this?

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Why the shift? Why are they all of a sudden

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just interested in just loading elderly people of putting them

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in hospice, loading them with narcotics and really sending them

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to their death.

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Well, you follow the money, I mean, that's that's kind

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of the thing. So if you look at Medicare and

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Medicaid and you know they're supposed to have oversights, the

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OIG is supposed to do overside. CMS is supposed to

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oversight them, they're not. And they can see you see

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cases Bradley Harris and Frisco, Texas. They had a case

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where he was the CEO has nothing to do with

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medical You don't have to be a professional to open

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up a hospice facility. And he was making hand over

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kissed money on innocent people. And he had doctors that

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were working for him that he would give bonuses to

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to sign them up because there is a lot of

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money in hospice and you know, if you don't have

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to do anything with them, you just have one or

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two nurses there and you're giving them a chemical restraint,

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and so they're just laying in the bed until you

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give them the kill shot. Then there's not a whole

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lot you have to do for them, right. So he

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had a nurse, Jessica Love was the name of the nurse.

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It's a strange name to have the name of love,

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but that was her name. And he would send her

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text messages and say, this person's living too long, do

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something about it. She would brag that by the end

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of her shift she would turn them on their left side,

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give them a little bit more morphine, and they would

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be gone before his shift was over. It was some

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kind of pride that she took in that he would

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send messages, find me somebody and make them go bye bye.

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He was blatant about it. Well, fortunately he and his

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twelve other cohorts were found out and they are spending

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together sixty four years in federal prison.

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Thanks, but you're in.

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Prison for fraud, for medicare fraud, not for murder, but

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for fraud because the government wants their money and they

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didn't appreciate somebody still.

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In the money.

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It's not about humanity, it's about money. And I have

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people that ask me and you'll have to stop me, Mick,

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because I get on a roll and so many times

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I raise your hand and stuffing. But anytime that somebody

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goes in, if people say, well, why would they kill them?

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They're making money off of them, why would they kill them,

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that's just stupid. You're just making this up.

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No, I'm not.

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So. I have a chapter in the book and I

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put in there, here's my proof, and it's people like

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Bradley Harris. And there's several cases in California. I just

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saw one of them today where they have hospices that

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they open up because there is a lot of money

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into it and a person. This year it's almost thirty

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five thousand dollars that hospice will pay for an individual.

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And there's an aggregate cap is what it's called by

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hospice that is supposed to last about six months, and

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that's where you get your six months bigger from. In

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my mom's case, I use that as an example. She

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was when I got her records, the Medicare records and

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Blue crosscous Shield records after she was murdered, and I

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moved my dad up here with me. He was eighty nine,

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and after I got the records and was looking at him,

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they paid about three thousand dollars every single month, and

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the month that they killed her was a little over

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eight thousand. So if you add that together, you know,

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and considering that it's it was about thirty two thousand

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at that time and now it's thirty five thousand. There

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is a link and I can send it to you

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afterwards where there is a guy that's on there talking

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about the cap, the hospice cap, and he literally talks

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about you want to find somebody has a shorter length

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of spay in hospice so that you're getting your money quicker,

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because if they die in ten days, you still have

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that thirty two thousand dollars and you can use that

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on another patient. So say you have ten beds.

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Say in the hospital protocols, Yes, just like the COVID

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hospital protocols. Sorry, it's it's colle.

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Roll through it and he's very I'll send that to

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you because it's shocking. It's shocking. I have it listed

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in the book in one of the chapters Financial Hospice,

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Financial Reasons. But he talks about if somebody else, if

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another hospice has is getting shorter length of stay, meaning

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they live shorter time periods. Then find out who their resources,

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find out who's recommending them, and then go to those

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doctors and they do troll the hospitals. They will come

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in if you are in there because respiratory issues or

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you break bones, you are flagged and after so many

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00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:21.839
times like three within that six month period, it's a

468
00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:25.839
red flag. You're called a frequent flyer, and hospice will

469
00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:29.480
be notified because the hospital does not want you on

470
00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:32.960
their record because if you come in they treat you

471
00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:36.079
you lead. You come back, they treat you you lead.

472
00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:40.000
It goes against the hospital and their rating system. So

473
00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:43.359
if they get turned you over to hospice, the hospice

474
00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:47.839
that they are kind of contracted with, then that hospice

475
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:51.160
gets the thirty four thousand, thirty five whatever it is

476
00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:54.720
for that fiscal year and hospital doesn't have to worry

477
00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:56.400
about you coming back and taken.

478
00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:57.319
From their resources.

479
00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:03.079
And then the hospital, the hospice then gets that death

480
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:06.640
on their side, which is a good thing for them.

481
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:09.880
And there was If you don't think there's quotas, there

482
00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:13.119
is a book out there by Michelle Young Doers it's

483
00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:17.319
called Killing the Prophet, The Dark Side of Hospice. She

484
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:21.759
was a respiratory therapist for hospice and she wrote the

485
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:24.880
book after she was terminated because she was a whistleblower.

486
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:28.359
So they do have quotas it is about the money.

487
00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:32.480
So back to your question. They do this because there's

488
00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:35.759
a lot of money to be found in people dying.

489
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:41.440
And there was a gentleman who had bought and he

490
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:44.480
said that you can make money off of people dying,

491
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:47.559
but people didn't believe him when he first started his

492
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:49.240
company with hospices.

493
00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:51.839
Today, the biggest.

494
00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:56.400
Hospice company is Vitis Hospice Vias Hospice, and if you

495
00:30:56.440 --> 00:30:59.759
go to their website you will hear how wonderful hospice

496
00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:03.680
is because iya obviously want you to come in and join,

497
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:06.480
and they have so many hospices in the area.

498
00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:07.480
Do you know who.

499
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:13.400
Owns that facility now, that hospice? No, Oh, my goodness,

500
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:16.519
it's like a shot. Yes, wrote a ruter that they

501
00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:21.279
changed their name to kimmed Or because it didn't sound

502
00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:25.240
good for wrote a ruter to own invite us hospices.

503
00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:31.279
Wow, wow, you know I this is this is all

504
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:35.960
so egregious and I'm so grateful that you wrote the

505
00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:40.160
book and that you all have a Facebook page. I

506
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:44.359
want to just tell you a little story because I

507
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:47.200
did work in the hospital for twenty eight years. I

508
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:51.559
want to tell you what I saw, because you actually

509
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:57.039
tried to get someone to come in and do something

510
00:31:57.200 --> 00:32:00.720
put you know, do an investigation and get some help

511
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:04.519
into this. But I want to tell you I worked

512
00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:08.319
for twenty eight years. I did oncology, I did cancer nursing,

513
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:11.359
and I had a lot of patients. I was with

514
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:15.279
a lot of patients, loved ones where I provided end

515
00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:18.160
of life care, you know, over my course of twenty

516
00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:22.319
eight years, I hundreds, maybe thousands, I'm not sure, Marsha.

517
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:27.039
But something that I witnessed and it stuck in my

518
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:30.359
head as I was going through and just reading the

519
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:33.599
you know, reading about your book and reading about you know,

520
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:37.880
the Facebook page and getting to see, you know, the

521
00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:42.240
resources that you have laid out, and this brought to mine.

522
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:45.160
There was an order from a physician and he would

523
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:49.759
write this out too t T. I had no idea

524
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:55.279
of what that was too old to treat was the acronym.

525
00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:59.599
And then they would say to the nurses, okay, you know,

526
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:02.839
like you know, give them the cocktail of morphine and

527
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:06.119
auta van. They would order it. They would order like

528
00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:09.200
one dose of ata van. Well, the auta van came

529
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:14.519
in a prefilled injection syringe. It was two milligrams, and

530
00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:19.160
I was introduced to something called a short waist. I

531
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:21.599
had no idea of what that was, you know, when

532
00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:24.480
I was starting out of my career. The nurse would

533
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:28.880
come up, they would have the syringe and they go swish, swish, Oh, okay,

534
00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:32.160
there's my you know, they would order one milligram, but

535
00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:35.000
it'd come in two milligrams and they'd be like, whish wish,

536
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:39.079
there's my one milligram waste right there. So the patient

537
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:43.599
would actually get one point five milligrams or two milligrams

538
00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:47.039
because there wouldn't be any waste there. And then they'd

539
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:50.920
have this window give every four every four hours, well

540
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:54.640
you could go thirty minutes before or thirty minutes after

541
00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:57.440
in case you were busy, So people would be given

542
00:33:57.480 --> 00:34:00.599
it three and a half hours, and so they would

543
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:04.920
continue to do that early administration. Well, by the time

544
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:07.160
you got to the end of your day, if you

545
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:11.800
work twelve, sixteen hours whatever, that thirty minute timeframe you'd

546
00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:15.079
be back and way up. So it's not like they'd

547
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:17.159
be getting it every four hours. It'd be like they'd

548
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:21.320
be getting it every two hours. So the reason I

549
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:25.400
bring this up is because you sought assistance. You were

550
00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:30.079
looking for, you know, intervention from law enforcement, the Joint

551
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:36.000
Commission of Accreditation, a medical board, somebody. What happened, What

552
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:39.119
occurred when you tried to get help and bring a

553
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:40.199
light to this.

554
00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:46.440
Nothing. Nothing, They will not investigate it. I went to

555
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:49.960
even before I left Georgia, I was on the phone

556
00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:53.440
calling attorneys and they all liked, really nice, well send

557
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:56.519
us the information, and that sounds terrible, and send us

558
00:34:56.840 --> 00:34:59.880
and I'd send pages and pages of documents. Let me

559
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:04.199
back up and say, getting the medical records is crucial

560
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:07.239
and get it while your person's if you do sign

561
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:10.159
up for hospice, if they you got manipulated into it,

562
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:13.639
get the medical records. Make sure they don't give your

563
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:17.280
loved one anything you don't approve of. Read about the

564
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:20.599
drugs are given them. And if somebody's not in pain,

565
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:23.119
which is the majority of the people that are these

566
00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:26.559
stories are written about, they were not in pain, So

567
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:30.280
get the medical records. But when I sent this information

568
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:33.599
to the attorney's office, and like a week or so

569
00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:35.400
she came back. She goes, oh, I'm so sorry, but

570
00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:38.480
there's nothing we can do. And I'd call another attorney

571
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:40.639
because I really thought I had something. I thought they

572
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:42.760
were going to do something. I call a different attorney.

573
00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:45.480
I call another attorney and everybody was like, you know,

574
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:48.079
was your mind working? And I said, no, my Mia

575
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:51.920
wasn't working. She was eighty seven years old. Well, then

576
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:54.920
there is no loss of income. I said, there's a

577
00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:58.679
loss of life, right. They said, I'm really sorry. You know,

578
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:01.360
see if you can find I'm buddy, good luck. But

579
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:04.519
there's nothing we can do. Finally, I had and I

580
00:36:04.599 --> 00:36:08.320
kept all this paperwork. Finally, one attorney said, it sounds

581
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:10.639
like you've talked to many attorneys. Do you want to

582
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:13.000
know why they won't take it? And I said, yeah,

583
00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:15.719
I would like to know. He said, because there's not

584
00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:18.679
enough money in it. He said, we wouldn't get any

585
00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:20.519
money for your mom. We would have to take it

586
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:26.679
to court. Hospice has big pockets, they have mass mutual insurance.

587
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:29.800
They will not settle out of court, and there's nothing

588
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:34.519
we can do. So and I was just dumbfounded, you know,

589
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:36.360
what do I do now? And then I found Ron

590
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:41.760
Panser and I found Foundation Aiding the Elderly and it's

591
00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:46.119
called for the number four fate fate dot org.

592
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:47.679
And I found Carol Herman.

593
00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:51.400
And this was after a year or so, and I

594
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:54.480
talked to her and she she's in California, but she

595
00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:58.079
follows up to make sure that nursing homes and hospitals

596
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:01.480
and hospice followed the proper protocol and they keep the

597
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:05.559
patient safe. And I mean, she's a nonprofit group, always

598
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:09.079
very busy, but she went after them like a bulldog

599
00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:13.280
and wrote an awesome letter to them, sent them the

600
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:16.599
letter and they said, oh, well, this happened too long ago.

601
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:19.440
We don't even know, you know, what's going on there,

602
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:22.239
and we're not going to investigate it. And she said,

603
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:24.000
I told you she's a bulldog.

604
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:26.360
She said, you don't get to tell me. No.

605
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:31.920
She said, these are regulatory requirement exactly, these are regulatory

606
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:36.119
requirements and you have to respond. Well, they responded and

607
00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:41.039
they said, yeah, you know, we either did or didn't

608
00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:45.320
go into the physical place, and you know we maybe

609
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:48.480
maybe we talked to somebody, but there's nothing to see here,

610
00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:51.159
you know. Her mom was kept safe, they didn't do

611
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:54.920
anything wrong. Well, and this was a couple of years

612
00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:57.599
but like a couple of months after my dad moved

613
00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:00.119
in with us with my husband and me, we got

614
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:03.719
a letter from CAPRA and they wanted to know, how

615
00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:06.320
did the hospice do you know, what's your opinion about it?

616
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:08.320
What kind of brating do you give it? I gave

617
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:09.880
it a one because I couldn't give it a zero,

618
00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:14.000
and they gave you at the last you know, say

619
00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:15.800
whatever you want to say about it. You know, here's

620
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:18.960
the extra space to write on and I wrote a

621
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:21.159
brief description. You know, they didn't keep her safe. They

622
00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:25.199
gave her at a van morphine and fentanyl. They put

623
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:27.320
her into a coma. They wouldn't let us take her

624
00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:30.519
to the hospital. Never heard back from them. Depro k

625
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:35.320
e p R is another organization that is supposed to

626
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:37.639
look in to investigate.

627
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:38.400
Hospice, same thing.

628
00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:41.639
They didn't even have time to review the records till

629
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:46.039
I received a certified letter back that said we see

630
00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:48.400
nothing wrong that they did, and that was by a

631
00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:52.239
hospice doctor that looked at it. So I said that

632
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:55.639
I want you to talk to a non hospice doctor again.

633
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:59.360
Within less time to review it. They came back and

634
00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:02.320
said they kept my mother safe.

635
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:03.199
This was the.

636
00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:07.920
Proper protocol and they followed the guidelines. And I said, well,

637
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:12.400
obviously you have very low standards because my mom was murdered.

638
00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:15.119
I don't care what you say. I know she was murdered.

639
00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:19.119
So those are the legal avenues that you're supposed to

640
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:22.519
go through. I notified the medical director when he came

641
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:26.599
back from his three week trip to India, and he.

642
00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:27.320
Knew my mom.

643
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:30.519
And when he came back, I told him about this

644
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:33.400
one nurse telling us that she had to put that

645
00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:36.480
second patch on and he said.

646
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:38.159
No, she didn't, and I said.

647
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:40.480
Well, that's what your nurse told us, and he just

648
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:42.760
kind of looked at me and he knew.

649
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:43.199
I knew.

650
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:47.400
And I don't personally hold him responsible because I don't

651
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:49.719
think he would have done that to my mother, But

652
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:53.599
because he's the medical director of that facility, it's got

653
00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:55.719
to be doing it to other people, and my mom

654
00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:59.960
just got caught in a situation because he was in India.

655
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:03.079
You know, I had met him before. I don't think

656
00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:04.960
he would have done that to her because I think

657
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:08.440
he would have known better. I hate to say that,

658
00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:11.360
but because we had talked so much and he knew

659
00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:13.280
how much we all loved my mom.

660
00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:16.199
So I don't think he was complicit, but he.

661
00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:20.400
But he still should have investigated, he should have done something.

662
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:23.559
He should have, you know, had that nurse, you know,

663
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:26.480
and start looking through her chart. I mean that that's

664
00:40:26.559 --> 00:40:29.639
what used to get me. I mean, as a I

665
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:34.679
used to manage outpatient infusions. And that was the words,

666
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:37.679
the words out of my mouth, Marsha, was that if

667
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:41.599
I ever heard or found anybody who was doing the

668
00:40:41.679 --> 00:40:48.360
short waist or the you know whatever to enhance somebody's

669
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:52.840
you know, departure somebody's death, then then that was it.

670
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:56.639
You know, you you can consider yourself being turned into

671
00:40:56.679 --> 00:40:57.159
the board.

672
00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:01.559
Yeah right, right, Yeah, Well, well there's there are cases

673
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:04.440
which you read the book, and you will see in

674
00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:07.719
the book that there are several other people that when

675
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:11.159
the investigation was done after their loved one was murdered,

676
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:14.199
they started looking into it. And several of the nurses

677
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:19.280
have criminal records and they're still nurses and they're not

678
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.920
they should not be nurses with the criminal record. But

679
00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:28.000
apparently that's very relaxed too in trying to make sure

680
00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:32.760
that someone is kept safe. Elderly people are not considered

681
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:37.039
worthy of being saved. And this going to your what

682
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:41.239
you're talking about. Assistant suicide. In Canada, it is legal

683
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:45.639
and they are even people have been cases in there.

684
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:51.639
Alex Schadenberg, he has Euthanasia Prevention Coalition in Canada, a

685
00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:56.079
very very active group, and they are people that are deaf.

686
00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:58.719
There are cases and I put them in the book

687
00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:01.920
where people that were deaf wanted to die. You know,

688
00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:04.119
the guy was and he was a young gentleman. He

689
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:06.320
wasn't a really old guy, but he said, you know,

690
00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:08.320
I just don't want to be deaf and I'm going

691
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:08.519
to be.

692
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:12.199
A burden in my family. They executed him. People that

693
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:12.960
are depressed.

694
00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:15.519
You know, one lady had lost her husband, lost her cat,

695
00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:19.239
and she was a little overweight, she was depressed, and

696
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:22.920
they said she met the qualifications. How do you meet

697
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:29.519
qualifications for those reasons? So euthanizing people assisted suicide has

698
00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:33.320
become just It is a depopulation what you said earlier

699
00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:38.400
population And as long as we have hospice in all states,

700
00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:42.840
I see no reason to have assisted suicide, medical aid

701
00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:45.360
and dying, whatever you want to call it. They're insulted

702
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:48.440
by you calling it assisted suicide, well what else is it?

703
00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:53.360
And people don't realize now, And that's a slippery slope

704
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:57.679
because you can talk somebody else into you're a burden.

705
00:42:58.000 --> 00:42:59.679
You know you don't want to be a burden to

706
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:01.800
your face family anymore, do you. I mean, you know

707
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:04.400
they've taken care of you, and you know their whole

708
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:06.760
life is around you. They can't go on vacation because

709
00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:08.920
they're taking care of you, and you make that person

710
00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:12.159
feel guilty. And in the same respect, if you're the

711
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:14.960
family and you're trying to keep your love with alife,

712
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:18.280
you're being very selfish. They've lived their life. They're ready

713
00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:20.480
to go. You just need to let them go. They're

714
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:23.199
in pain and they're ready to go. You are being

715
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:28.800
selfish by keeping them here. It's manipulation. You know, as

716
00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:31.679
long as there's hope, as long as that person's breathing

717
00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:35.000
and there's hope and they're enjoying life, you have no

718
00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:39.719
right to try to encourage them to die. And these

719
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:43.599
people in the stories and in the Facebook group did

720
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:46.800
not want to die. They I was telling you about

721
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:49.800
Wayne Kindred that first night he was there. When they

722
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:53.480
got the medical records a week later after he was dead,

723
00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:57.239
he was up on all fours crying, said, I want

724
00:43:57.239 --> 00:43:57.719
to go home.

725
00:43:58.039 --> 00:43:58.880
I want to go home.

726
00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:01.920
They didn't tell his wife that so that he could

727
00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:06.840
go home. You know another case where he spilt dale

728
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:10.280
built coffee on himself. He was in an assisted living

729
00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:12.480
but they had put him under hospice. And this was

730
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:16.239
during COVID. You back to your appointment. They had put

731
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:20.599
him under hospice, but he was on the internet, had

732
00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:25.639
his own small area in his little kitchen area, kitchenette.

733
00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:29.400
He was on the internet ordering from Amazon, and he

734
00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:32.599
spilt coffee on himself. His son couldn't come help him

735
00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:35.800
get the coffee off. They called to see if hospice

736
00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:38.239
would come and give him a shower, and they said,

737
00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:40.480
we don't have anybody to do that, but we can

738
00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:43.239
come pick you up and bring you to the hospit

739
00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:45.559
facility and we'll give you a shower.

740
00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:46.280
Right.

741
00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:49.159
So his daughter in law was like, no, no, no,

742
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:53.039
because her mother in law had died several years earlier

743
00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:57.239
by going to the hospital respite facility for a tuna

744
00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:00.840
is what they told her, and she died well, and

745
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:02.360
that she died within five hours.

746
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:03.000
The next day.

747
00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:05.840
She was dead when they came to visit her. They

748
00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:10.519
said she got very upset overnight. She became combative and

749
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:13.039
they had to give her some adavan and they.

750
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:13.360
Gave her more.

751
00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:16.920
The theme so Dale years later, now Dale's in there

752
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:19.280
because he wants to get the coffee off of him

753
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.119
and get them give him a shower. They overdosed him.

754
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:25.559
He died days later and never did get a shower.

755
00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:28.039
It is manipulation.

756
00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:35.679
Yeah, absolutely, Marcia. This is just this is horrific and

757
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:40.719
more people need to be aware of what's happening. I

758
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:44.159
want everyone to go to Amazon. The book is called

759
00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:50.880
Betrayed by Hospice and Healthcare Stories from the Deathbed. I

760
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:54.760
want to give you we have a couple minutes. I

761
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:58.000
do want you to have the last word. I want

762
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:02.519
you to tell everyone you know anything that they need

763
00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:06.800
to know, anything that is important for us to be

764
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:11.000
able to share website, any of that in the last

765
00:46:11.039 --> 00:46:12.280
few moments that we have.

766
00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:13.800
More sure sure.

767
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:20.159
In chapter fifteen, there is a chapter that has resources

768
00:46:20.199 --> 00:46:22.920
in it. It lists all the resources, but the one

769
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:26.119
I was telling you about earlier forfeate and there is

770
00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:32.159
an excellent website called Halo Voice dot com that's HLO

771
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:34.840
and they have tons.

772
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:35.760
Of information in there.

773
00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:40.639
We didn't talk about brain death and organ harvesting, but

774
00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:44.880
that is also another concern, and that affects the younger

775
00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:48.519
generation more so than the older because the organs are

776
00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:52.719
in better shape than ours are, and being an organ donor,

777
00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:56.519
you are not a cadaver. If you are donating an organ,

778
00:46:56.639 --> 00:47:00.599
you are not dead. And there are cases where in

779
00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:03.800
all cases they give them a small amount to put

780
00:47:03.800 --> 00:47:06.679
them under, but not enough because then your organ is

781
00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:10.880
not viable enough. But they do give you paralytic so

782
00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:14.639
you cannot move when they have the scalpel there they

783
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:18.239
kill the person, taking your heart out or your liver

784
00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:20.639
or your lungs with the scalpel when you are not

785
00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:26.480
completely out of it. Given enough morphine is murder and

786
00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:30.199
they will easily try to convince the family that the

787
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:33.760
person is brain dead. They do an apnea test which

788
00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:36.880
will take the oxygen away from the brain which will

789
00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:41.119
cause it to swell, and doctor Heidi Klassic has an

790
00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:43.719
awful lot of information on that, as well as doctor

791
00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:50.199
Paul Byrne. There is a group called Legal Foundation and

792
00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:53.800
they have a lot of information and they can get

793
00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:57.440
pro life attorneys for people in different states.

794
00:47:57.480 --> 00:47:58.719
That if you contact them.

795
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:03.239
Life Legal Defense Foundation is the name of that, And

796
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:06.360
there's just a ton of information in the book. A

797
00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:09.679
friend of mine had said, who I respect, that I

798
00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:13.599
should just write the book with stories only, and I

799
00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:16.760
just felt like that you're just writing the stories. I mean,

800
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:20.320
they're depressing, they're sad, and they're realistic and they're real people.

801
00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:24.239
But if I don't give you information to save yourself,

802
00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:26.800
or if I don't give you enough information so that

803
00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:29.920
you know why we are where we are today, then

804
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:32.800
I feel like I'm doing an injustice. The book is

805
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:35.320
four hundred and eighty one pages. It took me a

806
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:38.559
year to write it, and I list the resources in

807
00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:39.599
there so that it's.

808
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:40.960
Not just Marcia saying it.

809
00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:45.159
These are professionals, and there are links in there that

810
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:47.800
you can go to to try to save your loved one.

811
00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:51.920
If you're an organ donor, consider going to Halo Voice

812
00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:55.880
dot org. They have a form, a little hard thing

813
00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:58.519
that you can put in your wallet that says, I

814
00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:01.480
refuse to be an organ done owner to protect yourself

815
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:05.199
about them telling you you're brain dead, So thank you.

816
00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:07.119
I go on a wild brand.

817
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:10.440
Sorry, no, that's okay, No, totally, We're going to have

818
00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:13.719
you back because there's a lot to cover and we

819
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:18.320
need to have more conversations. But Marcia, it was an honor.

820
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:23.239
It was a great conversation. There's a ton to unpack,

821
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:25.679
so we're going to have you back on so that

822
00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:28.639
we can dig more into this. But thank you so

823
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:37.679
much all you do, truly you absolutely and thank you

824
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:40.400
and I really want to say thank you to you all.

825
00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:46.599
We will see you next time. Remember resistance not feutile,

826
00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:49.440
and blessings to you all always.

827
00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:50.880
Thank you very much.

828
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:30.800
It's time to stand up, speak out, get involved, and

829
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:32.599
let's be intentional.