Nov. 22, 2024

Bring Back Patient Rights!

Bring Back Patient Rights!

Patient rights require common sense and adherence. Who better to discuss the matter than those who lost their loved ones after they were intentionally kept out -- but force was used if necessary -- during COVID.

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Patient rights require common sense and adherence. Who better to discuss the matter than those who lost their loved ones after they were intentionally kept out -- but force was used if necessary -- during COVID.

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It's time to stand up, speak out, get involved, and

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Hello and welcome to Intentional. I am your host, Mick Mew.

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great information. So three weeks ago I had a conversation

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with Steve Rider, who is the founder of the Never

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Alone Project, in Deborah Davis, who is the vice chair

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for the former FEDS group Freedom Foundation here in Oklahoma,

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and we had this great conversation. We spoke about how

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dream COVID the healthcare industry denied patients access to family,

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friends and loved ones while they were in the hospitals,

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and how no one should be deprived or of their

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patient rights, advocacy or die alone. Now. During COVID in

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the hospitals and care facilities, patients were isolated and by

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many eyewitness accounts, they were prevented from contacting the outside

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world because their glasses, their cell phones, or the communication

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devices that they had were either removed or they were

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kept out of reach, and so they were basically not

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able to communicate with their loved ones. Hospital policies allowed

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for a loved one to receive a code or a password.

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We did that for years so that someone could call in,

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they could get information, they could get updated on the

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patients loved one status. However, during the years of COVID,

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by the way of way too many accounts, not only

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was there a detrimental lack of communication, but there was

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also a dehumanizing refusal to provide families or loved ones

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any information, and their testimonies sound like something out of

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a horror film scenario. Families were awoken in the middle

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of the night to make a life or death decision

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choice with very little information. Families were denied access to

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be with their loved ones at the time of death

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or even view the body afterwards, and some families have

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reported that they were not told that their loved one

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died until the next day. Families had encounters with police

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and security who were threatening them with either arresting or

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just because they were trying to be in the same

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room as their loved ones while they were dying. They

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were being threatened with police force. Families who were fortunate

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enough to be with their loved ones found them with

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matted hair, they were on dirty sheets, they were lying

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in their own waist, or they had opened wounds and

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sores that they didn't come in the hospital with. Families shock, anger,

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and recognition of betrayal became even more apparent when they

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obtained the medical records, which documented that there were infections

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that they were unaware of. There were do not resuscitate

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positive care and hospice orders that they were not told

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about nor had they consented to. There was evidence of

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potential discrimination with unvaccinated being placed on every assessment or

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every page of the record, and of course, protocol called

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drugs like rem deesevir were being administered after the families

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and patients had refused its use. So today we are

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fortunate enough to have bo Steve Rider of the Never

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Loan Project really that has taken the charge and has

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really been the clarion call for legislation that would ensure

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patients have the right to at least one screened visitor

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per day with no time limits. And Deborah Davis, who

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is vice chair of the former FEDS group Freedom Foundation

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in Oklahoma. Her husband was a Vietnam veteran, he's a

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firefighter and he was killed by the hospital COVID protocols.

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They are back with us today, so we're going to

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lean in and talk about this necessary legislation, lots to discuss.

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Please everyone, welcome back with me. Steve and Deborah. Hello, Steve, Deborah,

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how are you today? Hi?

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Meed, Hi Ave, Hi, Hi.

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Good to see you guys.

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How's it going there in Colorado? You look like you're

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bundled up?

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Yeah, Colorado. I've lived here for twenty seven years now,

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and We've had snow every single month i've been here

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over the twenty seven years i've been here except August,

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and so we got some snow. It's been quite a

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cold November, and I've shoveled my driveway four or five

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times already so far this year.

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Wow, wow, gracious. Okay, well we may have some snow.

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We got some snow last year, so we'll see what

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Oklahoma gets. But I am so glad that you are

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both back with me because it's that time of year

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when we start thinking about what is needed for legislation, advocacy,

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patient rights, informed consent in the health care facilities, and

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anything that could be considered a medical crisis or an emergency.

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We're starting to think about that because it's the winter months,

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and we saw what happened during COVID, or at least

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for me, I think that kind that kind of perked

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me up. Every winter we go, oh here, we go again. Steve,

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you have done a ton to get the no patient

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left alone legislation passed in every state, and I believe

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you're going forward to be a federal legislation as well.

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So I'd really like for you to explain to everybody,

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since it's been a couple of weeks, the importance and

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the necessary points that need to be included in bills

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like this.

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Yeah, so it really goes back to my story. My

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wife was in the hospital twenty one days, not COVID related,

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in April and May of twenty twenty. I was never

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once allowed in, despite willing to jump through whatever hoops

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they needed me to go do, whether it was pay

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out of pocket for daily COVID tests, whether it was

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pay out of pocket for a full suit, whatever it

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was that was needed, I was willing to do, and

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I was never allowed in until she had passed away

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after on her twenty first day in University of Comperada

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Hospital in Aurora. Here in Colorado, we were the first

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state to pass any kind of legislation, even though in

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twenty twenty it was really ultimately castrated by the Hospital Association.

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We wanted to work with the hospital Association to get

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something passed, so that way in twenty twenty, when everything

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was going on, someone could be there and the hospital

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Association undercut us and to strike through right before it

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went to committee, and it turned it from a requirement

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to let at least one visitor into a suggestion that

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hospitals review their visitation policies. We had an opportunity to

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just pull the legia, but even though it did nothing,

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I still wanted to get it through because I wanted

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to try and get some publicity for it, and I

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got a little. And one of the things I learned

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in this fight is that TV stations, newspapers, media outlets,

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because they are getting advertising dollars often from these big

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hospital groups in the state, they're not willing to talk

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about this kind of issue because they don't want to

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risk those advertising dollars. And I heard from a handful

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of reporters who said, yeah, we'd love to talk about this,

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but it got acts by above me or other reporters

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just completely went dark, and I assume that's probably what

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was also going on. They didn't want to throw their

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higher ups under the bus, if you will. And so

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right now we have thirteen states around the country that

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have some sort of legislation, three of which, excuse me,

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two of which are purple states, meaning that there's a

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split between party governance, whether it's at the state house,

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state Senate, or governorship. So that way there is some

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kind of checks and balances, if you will, one blue

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state here in Colorado, and then the rest are all

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red states. And so really one of the things that

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I've been learning in this fight is that on paper,

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you can have a good piece of legislation, like I

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reviewed this morning again Oklahoma's legislation, and it looked fine.

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It looked like it was something, yeah, this should work.

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And so the fact that Deborah was locked out on

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the last episode, it was really quite shocking to me

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that some of these vague wording in there about you know,

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who's allowed in and who's not can be circumvented, and

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loopholes that can be you can drive a mack truck

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through that really aren't aren't the purpose of the bill.

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Like we saw in Texas, Texas, a doctor can override

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the visitation for a patient and a mutual friend of ours,

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Gail Syler, she was in the hospital and a doctor

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overwrote it because of that unvaccinated discrimination that you were

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talking about earlier, Mick. Because Gail wasn't vaccinated, the doctors

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assumed that the rest of the family wasn't vaccinated as

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well and said no visitation whatsoever. And Gail almost died

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if not for her husband actually barging into her room,

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barricading himself in, calling the police and saying, I want

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to take my wife home, and the police showed up

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and said, yeah, she has the right to leave. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And that's the thing. I mean, in what world now

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have we become to where you have to storm into

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the eye I see you and say no, you are

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not allowed to kill my loved one. I have the

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right to be with my loved one, and they call

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the police to force you out when all you're trying

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to do is be with the one that you loved.

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And so last time, you had pointed out that we

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spoke about House Built two six eighty seven, the never

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Alone bill in Oklahoma, and Deb, you had spoken briefly

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about this last time. Refresh our memories on what you

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found that needs to really be looked at and amended

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in this bill. Can you hear me, Deb, Deb, can

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you hear me?

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Internet issues? I'm going to get her to call in.

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Okay, thank you while we're waiting.

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I didn't hear what you said, Portia asked.

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No problem. Rebel's going to give you the Rebels are

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wonderful producer. We love Rebel, and she's going to give

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you a phone number to call in. So let's let's

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do that. And in the meantime, Steve and I are

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going to talk a little bit about this bill while

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you're calling in Okay, deb So one of the things

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that we had talked about Steve last time was the

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section D. I think that is the big concern, and

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I'm going to read it. It says a hospital may

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establish visitation policies that limit or restrict visitation when and

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then it has like a list. It says, the presence

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of visitors could be medically or therapeutically contraindicated in the

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best clinical judgment of the healthcare professional, the presence of

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visitors would interfere with the care or rights of any patient.

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Visitors are engaging in disruptive, threatening, or violent behavior toward

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any staff member, patient, or other. Visitors or visitors are

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non compliant with hospital policies. Now that's real concerning to me,

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because they're putting in some caveats in there that not

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everybody's going to be aware of. And who is making

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these decisions. Who is the one who is saying that

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you're disruptive or that you're threatening. I mean, that's Steve.

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I'd like you to kind of speak to that because

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that's worrisome to me.

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Yeah, paid in good faith, you would expect somebody disruptive

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to be that they're making a big stink and they're

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throwing their arms up in the air and they're physically

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intimidating doctor nurse. But because of the way that we've

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seen this play out, all it takes is just a

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just a verbal disagreement. No, I don't agree that remdesivir

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should be a part of their treatment plan. I don't

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want whatever it is, ivermectin, monoclonal antibodies, hydroxychlorican, quinn whatever.

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And the doctor's well, you're disagreeing with me, so you

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shouldn't be in here. That's really concerning. And when it

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comes to something like this, when this was written, I

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can guarantee you that Representative Tony Hassenbeck a Republican, A

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Jai Petman Democrat, Marilyn Stark Republican and State Senator Michael Bergstrom.

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That was not their intent when it was written and

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the way it was played and why it was put

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in there. I remember that when I mentioned Gail Siler earlier,

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Gail reached out to the state representative or senator in

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Texas who put that bill together and he said what

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happened to Gail and her husband was not the intent

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of why they put that in there that a doctor

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can overwrite it. So obviously, in order to get this

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fixed in Oklahoma, what needs to happen is people in

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Oklahoma need to go to Representatives Tony Hassenbeck, Aji Pittman,

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Marilynd Stark, and State Senator Michael Bergstrom and tell these

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stories of Listen, this happened after this legislation was passed.

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This is how the hospital used this wording to lock

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me out. Do you agree with this or do you not?

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Right? Yeah? And Deb, I don't know if you can

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hear us? Can you hear us?

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I can? Now? Yes?

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Okay, great, So we were just talking about that section

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D and I think you heard what Steve was saying

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and the concern that I had is that Section D

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seems to me like it. The legislators, while it's not

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their intent, the hospital authorities, whoever that may be, those

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who are the coos making hospital policy are trying to

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play moral super superiority or some sort of behaviors. Are

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Is that what you encountered?

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Yes, you know. And my husband was placed in the

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hospital via the ambulance. I tried to go in with him.

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He went in with a fifty six sech oxygen sat

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writ so he, you know, was not capable of being

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his own advocate and needed me in there. I knew

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about the law we had here in Oklahoma, and so

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I stated it until the doctor I wanted to go

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in with him and stated the law, and he said, well,

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we're not following that. So yes, that's exactly. I mean,

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it's a backdoor. And you know the thing is, nobody

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knows it, you know. I mean everybody that I talked

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to says, oh, Oklahoma's got the best law. We don't.

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It gave them a back door, It gave them an out.

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It's too broad. I was not. I took it took

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six days of getting state senators to call the hospital

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to get finally get me in and by that time

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it was too late.

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Wow. I mean, that's the concern that I have, Steve,

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is that people aren't aware of this. They they see

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that it has a wonderful title, and it's great. It's

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you know, you know, the No Patient Left Alone Act,

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and so who would not be for that? I can't

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imagine anybody being against that. And so you're right, we've

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got to go into these legislators and say what is

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being done is is actually gregious and it's criminal. It's

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it created the crimes against humanity because it blocked out

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the only advocates that they had to protect their patient rights.

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what I would recommend listeners to do. And two points

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with this one what to do if this happens, and

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two nobody knows about it. But first off, if you're

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trying to get in there, record it, record it. Whether

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you try and record it covertly or overtly. Now, overtly

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may escalate tensions because there are lots of people that

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don't want to be recorded. And obviously, then depending on

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your states one party two party recordings laws. Here in Colorado,

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I can record someone with them not knowing what was

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going to go on, Like, for example, after Elizabeth died

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on my walk out of the hospital, after I had

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said goodbye to her body. On the walkout, I noticed

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on the ground floor she was up on like the

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tenth floor. On my walkout, I noticed doctors and nurses

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in the cafeteria walking around on that main floor, more

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than half of them on May nineteenth, twenty twenty were

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not wearing masks. Now, whether or not masks work is

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beside the point, but at the time, if you rewind

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back to May of twenty twenty, everyone was supposed to

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be wearing masks right around then the importance of masks.

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were like, don't wear masks. They were trying to ultimately

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save masks for the healthcare professionals. But in May it

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was kind of starting to become this big thing where

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everyone should be wearing masks. And if masks were something

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so important, why weren't they wearing it on the ground

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floor when obviously COVID could be more easily transmitted between

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doctors working on those COVID floors, working with COVID patients

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and those that weren't even janitors walking around. And so

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when I went back to the hospital a handful of

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days later to pick up Elizabeth's belongings ring that she

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was wearing and some other stuff, I had a phone.

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I had her phone in my top pocket recording watching

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me interacting. My goal was to just walk through the

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hospital one last time and try and record who had

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masks and who didn't, and show that I ended up

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not being able to. But that's something that you can

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look at, is covertly recording if allowed in your state,

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and then broadcasting that. Another one be to walk in

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with some friends who are recording it and you say, hey,

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this law is on the books, and then sharing that

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on social media to try and pressure, using your local

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media as well, to try and get some stories about this,

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to try and pressure to get in. That's what I

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would do if a loved one is in the hospital

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and you're not able to get in there. And I

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just talked to Carolyn Blakeman, a mutual friend of ours,

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earlier this week, and she said she got a call

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last week someone wasn't allowed in in a state that

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does have legislation. And so this is another big problem

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is that two problems. Really, One, no one knows about

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this legislation, So few people know about this. I had

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a conversation with Representative few conversations with Representative Julie Mayberry.

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Arkansas the first state to pass substantive legislation here in

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the United States, and Colorado we were the first technically,

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but Arkansas was the first one to pass substance of legislation.

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And in my opinion and in the opinion of many

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state senators that I've talked to in state reps and

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their aids and that kind of stuff that I've talked

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to over the last four years that I've been working

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for and a half years that i've been working on this,

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Arkansas is one of the best. Arkansas Missouri, really, I

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think are the two best that I've seen thus far. Now,

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I'm not a legal scholar. I'm not someone that's I'm

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not a legislator. I've never worked as a lawmaker anything

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like that. I'm just a common dude who's this has

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just become a passion of mine because I don't ever

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want to go through this again. In talking with Julie,

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for you, in talking with Julie, there's two problems with

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the Arkansas legislation. And with a lot of the legislation, one,

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no one knows about it. And because no one knows

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about it, the hospitals in Arkansas were still locking people

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out after they passed their legislation because they were daring

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people to report it to this state. It's one to

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find out about it, and then two daring people to

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report it to the state, and then the state to

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come down and say, no, you need to let them in.

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It's ridiculous. And the other problem with the Arkansas legislation

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is that there was no punishment for the hospitals. And

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so because no one knew about it, and because they

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had to report it to the state, and because there

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was no punishment, the hospitals felt, yeah, we can just

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do whatever we want. Wow.

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And here in Colorado, we're the first blue state in

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the nation to pass anything like this. Governor Jared Poulis

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signed this just outside of Fort Morgan, Colorado. Now Fort Morgan,

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for those that don't know, the state, very rural northeast Colorado.

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So this is the high plains northeast Colorado. Small town.

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I think Fort Morgan's less than ten thousand people. Only

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paper that showed up The only media outlet that showed

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up to that signing was the Fort Morgan Paper. No

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paper from Denver, color of Springs, not Fort Collins, not Boulder, nothing.

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No media outlets showed up except for the paper in

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Fort Morgan. And even if so, even if the Denver

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Post and Colorado and PR and radio stations and TV

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stations had shown up, how many people are going to

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watch that one report? How many people are going to

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miss that report? And so really this becomes really an

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awareness issue for those of us that know this legislation

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exists to let people know and help them to try

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and get in should they be locked out from their

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loved ones, and then in states, trying to get legislation fixed,

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and even more importantly ultimately getting it in federal legislation

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because a lot of these states they give an exception

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for a national declaration of emergency, and the CDC and

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the Center for Medicaid and Medicare Services CMA, if they

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come out with their guidelines let's say, restrict visitation needs

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to be restricted hospitals because they are so afraid of

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losing that CMS accreditation. Yes, they will follow those even

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though they're not regulations. They're guidelines and it's kind of fuzzy.

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They don't want to run a foul of that, and

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so they will restrict again. Which is why ultimately we

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need in federal legislation written to the Sole Security Act

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visitation no matter what, at least one screen loved one

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per day, which is something that Congressman Andy Harris from Maryland,

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Republican medical doctor who's the only Republican in US Congress

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from the state of Maryland. Initially that's what he tried

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to do, was tried to get that. Now did he

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really push for it, I don't know. It doesn't really

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feel like it. But he's still an ally in this fight,

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and I want to see him become a champion, as

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well as Representative Van Dijk out of New Jersey, Senator

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Rand Paul, some others. We need some people in DC

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that are willing to fight for this and become champions

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for this and odstly with the current changeover over this

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next few months, once the new Congress gets sworn in

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and it's completely read controlled on paper, we would think

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that we would have allies. But in talking to my

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congressman and talking to my congressman's legislative aid, my former

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now soon to be former Congressman Doug Lamborn. He had

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a legislative aid who I had no numerous conversations, and

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he said, Steve, Honestly, at the federal level, you might

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get more pushback from Republicans than you would Democrats for

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something like this at the federal level, which at the

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state level has been virtually the opposite. Is that the

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Democrats have been our biggest opponents and the Republicans have

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been our biggest allies. And as someone who's unaffiliated for

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the last twenty years, this needs to be not only

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a bipartisan issue, but a non partisan issue.

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Absolutely, And you really kind of took me where I

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wanted to go because what I see that we need

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as a comprehensive patient rights and advocacy bills that include

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this in there. But here's what is occurring here in

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the state of Oklahoma. We had twelve and we're super

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Republican majority, Okay, we had twelve medical freedom bills, all

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various kinds, including patient rights, informed consent. The year before that,

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we had thirty five. All of them, every single one

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of them were killed in committee. They never made it

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to the floor. They were either killed by special interest

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or legislative preference. I don't know, but this is the

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part that is really agonizing for me, Steve, because many,

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not all, but many of the legislators, who again and

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are super majority Republican, aren't just picking up the baton

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and running with it. People are busy in their lives,

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they're not watching the legislators, like with what happened to

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our bill over here. And of course the special interest

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and the lobbyists like the hospital and the healthcare authorities,

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they are all in it for themselves. So it's left

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up to organizations like who Gail Seiler is volunteering for

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and Carolyn Blakeman volunteered for the former Fed's Freedom Group Foundation,

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and to try and really stand in the gap. Their advocates,

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they're educators. They're instructing how to protect your patient rights

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and freedoms, how to stay out of the hospital, or

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what to do if you are admitted in the hospital.

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So here's my question, and I'll throw it to you, Steven.

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Then I'd love to get your input, deb how do

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we get that power back into the hands of we

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the people Because the media isn't covering it here, nobody

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wants to talk about it. It gets hardly any press.

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Everybody's you know, they may be involved in election integrity,

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or they're involved with the school board or whatever. And

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what we have is these precious souls created by God

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whose unalienable rights are being stripped when they go into

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the hospital, and we need to let them know your

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rights come from God, they don't come from the government.

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So what are your thoughts on how we get that.

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Maybe a community advocate we used to call them navigators

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in the hospital, people who connect and get that information out,

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force those legislators to close the loophole gaps until we

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can get federal legislation on the local level and act

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on those areas that are required by the Constitution.

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00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:03.880
It's a real pickle, Yeah, it is. And I'd love

469
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:08.160
to be able to say that lots of people showing

470
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:11.440
up and testifying and calling their state senator and calling

471
00:32:11.480 --> 00:32:15.000
their state representative and sitting down and talking with them, etc.

472
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:19.160
Will make a difference. I've seen it, and I've also

473
00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:24.279
seen it not work. Here in Colorado, we introduced three

474
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:27.079
pieces of legislation through the House and they were all

475
00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:32.200
killed and committee all of them that last year we

476
00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:34.880
introduced in the House and then unbeknownst to us, a

477
00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:37.960
state senator all took our legislation from the year prior

478
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:42.480
and introduced it in the Senate and oh, okay, all right,

479
00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:44.279
let's jump on board with that one too. Well, the

480
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:47.160
Democrats send it to the Kill Committee. They didn't send

481
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:50.839
it to the Health and Human Services, Health and Insurance

482
00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:53.759
Committee in the State Senate. They sent it to the

483
00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:57.400
State and Veteran Affairs Committee, which is essentially the Kill Committee.

484
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:03.599
And it was a freaking miracle, miracle that the chair

485
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:07.359
State Senator Julie Gonzalez, who in my opinion is a

486
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:12.079
hero Democrat, she heard all of these stories, all of

487
00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:17.319
this testimony, and said, we needed to table this. I

488
00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:20.839
need to think about this because as hispanic my family,

489
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:22.759
when someone when one of our own, one of our

490
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:25.400
family is in the hospital, we take over a floor.

491
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:28.319
And she talked about her brother being in the hospital

492
00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:30.079
and them not being able to go in there, and

493
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:34.000
how agonizing it was for them to not be there

494
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:37.960
with him, how agonizing it was for her especially to

495
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:40.480
not be there. And so there were lots of discussions

496
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:42.599
while it was tabled, and then it was reintroduced and

497
00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:45.640
she passed it. She was the deciding vote. All we

498
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:48.240
needed was one Democrat to come over, and she did.

499
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:53.640
Oddly enough. Not long afterwards she was no longer the

500
00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:54.839
chair of the Kill Committee.

501
00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:56.119
What do you know?

502
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:03.279
And so applaud Julie. And you know, I know for

503
00:34:03.319 --> 00:34:08.880
a fact that that State Senate legislation. I did not

504
00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:11.519
have any hope whatsoever that it was going to pass.

505
00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:14.239
I showed up to be honest, I was half ascident

506
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:16.440
the entire time. I was like, this is't this isn't

507
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:20.079
going anywhere. We're dying again. Regroup and try again next year.

508
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:25.239
And it was a handful of faithful, God fearing women

509
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:29.039
that were praying their butts off from Northeast Colorado who

510
00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:32.800
they went through it themselves, and Eastern Colorado they went

511
00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:34.880
through it themselves, and they were praying, and it was

512
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:39.519
a complete total miracle that it was passed here in Colorado. Now,

513
00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:43.280
as many holes as even Governor Poulis admitted during the signing,

514
00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:45.960
there was in the legislation, we found it to be

515
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:51.559
pretty effective, very effective. Every call we've got that I

516
00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:54.480
can't get in here, use Elizabeth Law. And that's just

517
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:56.559
kind of the short title for it is Elizabeth Law.

518
00:34:56.800 --> 00:35:01.199
Use Elizabeth's law try and get in and yeah, sure

519
00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:05.840
enough they've gotten in. And so how do we get

520
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:09.599
this done? Telling lots of stories and honestly, I think

521
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:13.960
just praying, just mobilizing and mobilizing local churches and trying

522
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:17.960
to get them to pray for this thing. Because we

523
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:22.920
don't have any lobbies for patients, patients rights, people that

524
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:26.760
are interested in patients, right, there is no lobby. The

525
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:29.960
Hospital Association is a big lobby, and many many state

526
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:33.119
representatives and senators that I know have said at the

527
00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:35.559
state level it is the second biggest lobby behind the

528
00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:40.039
Teachers Association because it is such a big employer, and

529
00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:43.639
so the Hospital Association carries a lot of weight, a

530
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:46.760
lot of weight at the state level, disproportionate to it

531
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:47.840
to the federal level.

532
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:54.679
But yeah, you know, I think that's a phenomenal idea,

533
00:35:55.559 --> 00:36:00.559
a patient lobby. You know, that's an interesting I did

534
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:04.440
deb What are your thoughts on that? Oh?

535
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:06.559
I think they're great. Actually, Steve said most of the

536
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:09.840
things I was going to say, so I, uh, the

537
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:13.400
second everything that he said, I will say, I don't

538
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:14.920
know how much time we have, but I will say

539
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:19.840
that I you know, I thought we were pretty plugged

540
00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:22.960
in before Jimmy got sick and had to go into

541
00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:28.599
the hospital. We were only really aware of the Oklahoma

542
00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:33.679
law because of friends who were plugged into the legislative process,

543
00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:38.079
and even they didn't know the restrictions that had been

544
00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:43.159
placed on the final version of the bill which then

545
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:47.800
passed and went to the to the governor. So you know,

546
00:36:48.159 --> 00:36:50.639
I like said, even people that are plugged in don't know.

547
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:55.440
I think you and your podcast mixed is a great

548
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:57.119
way of getting this out. We need to get on

549
00:36:57.159 --> 00:36:59.920
more podcasts. We're obviously not going to get on mainstream

550
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:04.199
right now. You know, they're not you know, they're bought

551
00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:08.360
and paid for by the hospital authority and the pharmaceutical companies,

552
00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:13.920
so that's not going to happen. But I've also agreed

553
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:16.639
that it'd be great to have a community advocate. And

554
00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:20.320
what did you say that, Steve said, Oh, a lobbyist,

555
00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:24.000
health care lobbyist. And I think that's a great idea.

556
00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:26.639
We've kind of been doing that mix and we've been

557
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:31.559
doing that with former FED somewhat, you know, trying to advocate.

558
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:36.400
But we need to get the special interest money out

559
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:40.400
of the campaigns. We really need to work on a

560
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:43.480
campaign finance reform.

561
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:45.639
Yeah, yeah, I mean for sure.

562
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:48.559
I mean it's really true. We do. We need to

563
00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:52.679
because you know, we the people. We've seen our legislators

564
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:56.119
to Congress to a state house. They're supposed to be

565
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:59.239
working for us, for we the people. They're not working

566
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:03.039
for us. They're working for their big donor. We need

567
00:38:03.079 --> 00:38:05.800
to get that shop. We need to get that shopped.

568
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:09.800
So I think we just and as Jeeve said, we

569
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:12.599
need to, you know, make everybody aware that we can.

570
00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:15.320
We do need to be praying for it. For this.

571
00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:19.800
I spoke with two people yesterday that did not know

572
00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:22.760
that people are still dying in the hospitals. I thought

573
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:26.159
COVID was over, you know. I had to tell them, No,

574
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:28.320
people are still dying in the hospitals.

575
00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:32.599
They're still using that protocol. They still have the protocol

576
00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:36.119
in place. And that brings me to my point in

577
00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:39.119
deb I'm going to throw it to you first, how

578
00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:45.679
do we get hospitals and that healthcare system to acknowledge,

579
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:51.199
to recognize and protect the rights of individuals even in

580
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:56.119
time of crisis. You know what, crisis doesn't automatically strip

581
00:38:56.199 --> 00:38:59.199
you of your rights. It doesn't. It's not supposed to

582
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:02.039
take away food and hydration and your loved ones and

583
00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:06.280
communication and take away your free will. It's supposed to

584
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:10.000
protect the patient. But even when I worked in bone

585
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:13.800
marrow transplant and we wiped out their immune system, that

586
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:16.679
was the whole purpose was to get rid of the disease.

587
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:19.800
So we took their whole entire immune system away from

588
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:24.760
them intentionally. Even then we allowed family members in. It

589
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:27.920
was good hand washing. It was if you have a cold,

590
00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:32.960
don't come in, but good hand washing, protect yourself, keep

591
00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:37.000
the loved one clean, good daily hygiene, those kinds of things,

592
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:40.519
good oral care. We didn't say, okay, everybody get out

593
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:43.039
and leave them in their own waste. So, deb what

594
00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:45.559
what are your thoughts on that you were in the

595
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:49.840
hospital with your husband as much as you could be.

596
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:52.360
What do you think we should do? How do you

597
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:53.039
think they should read?

598
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:55.599
Yeah, they barely let me in. I mean I got

599
00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:59.199
to go in two times, and you know I wasn't

600
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:02.239
there but maybe an hour hour and a half. They were.

601
00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:04.880
They wanted to restrict me to an hour three three

602
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:07.440
days a week. That's what they finally gave me permission for,

603
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:13.599
was an hour three days a week. So you know, unfortunately,

604
00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:16.079
as far as what we can do about the hospitals.

605
00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:18.960
I mean, the hospitals have been taken over by big business.

606
00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:21.679
You know, I got in a small town, we had

607
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:25.320
a small town hospital. We knew the doctor. You know, well,

608
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:28.679
you knew the owner of the hospital, and you know

609
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:33.719
you've got you've got individual care. They cared about you know,

610
00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:36.280
he cared about us. The nurse has cared about us.

611
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:40.480
It's not that way in the hospital anymore. It's too big.

612
00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:43.480
They don't care. And right now, as we both all

613
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:47.639
three of us know, it's about money to them. You know,

614
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:52.719
my husband was just some money, just a dollar sign

615
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:57.840
to them. So yeah, I don't know. I think it's

616
00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:01.639
going to take It's going to take an Act of Congress,

617
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:07.320
so yeah, to get things some federal legislation.

618
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:10.320
Steve, what do you think, because I mean, I have

619
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:14.079
a whole lot of ideas as a nurse. Some of

620
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:16.920
them include not literally, but some of them include just

621
00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:20.400
taking that whole entire system and scrapping it out, because

622
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:23.000
I think it goes all the way back into their

623
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:27.519
education where they're more concerned about diversity, equity, and inclusion

624
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:32.039
than patient care and patient rights. But what do you think?

625
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:35.920
What do you think the hospitals and the healthcare system

626
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:38.400
needs to do. What message do they need to get.

627
00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:41.199
I think they need to get that we lost our

628
00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:48.440
humanity in this whole process. And also they need to understand, Hey,

629
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:50.480
what would you do? They need to be asked the question,

630
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:53.679
what would you do if the person you loved most

631
00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:57.519
in the world was in the hospital you weren't able

632
00:41:57.559 --> 00:41:59.880
to be with them and you thought they were dying.

633
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:05.320
Just imagine, Because I can tell you right now from

634
00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:08.519
personal experience, my whole and debt, I think you can

635
00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:12.360
probably attest to that my whole world shut down. The

636
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:15.960
only thing that mattered was me to be with Elizabeth.

637
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:19.519
That was it, because I saw the power of having

638
00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:24.000
a loved one there in previous hospital stays. When she

639
00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:26.480
went into the hospital and she spent five weeks in

640
00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:31.280
twenty fourteen between two hospital stays, three weeks early in

641
00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:35.840
March with a massive lupus flare up, and then I

642
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:39.320
was two weeks, two weeks, and then in November she

643
00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:42.960
went in with heart failure. And when she went in,

644
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:45.199
the doctor said, Steve, this is an end of life

645
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:47.800
kind of situation. He was letting me know that her

646
00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:50.719
heart failure was very serious, and once they diagnosed her

647
00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:54.559
with pulmonary hypertension, they told me, hey, you know, this

648
00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:59.199
is an incurable disease unless she gets a lung transplant,

649
00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:03.639
which we know how fraught with complications lung transplants can be.

650
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:09.159
And so I knew I saw the power of having

651
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:11.920
a loved one there because when she came out of that,

652
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:14.840
from the end of life situation to where she was released,

653
00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:17.960
and then how she was after she was home for

654
00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:22.400
just a few weeks. Her doctor, Todd Bull called it

655
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:25.960
almost He said, this is almost miraculous how she came

656
00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:28.760
back from where she was when she went in in

657
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:32.559
November twenty fourteen and where she was at the end

658
00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:34.360
of twenty fourteen when she went in to go see

659
00:43:34.360 --> 00:43:36.800
her doctor. Actually I think it might have been January

660
00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:39.400
is when she had that doctor appointment where he looked

661
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:41.559
at me and was like, this is nothing short of miraculous.

662
00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:43.800
Whatever you guys are doing, keep doing it. And it

663
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:46.480
was having people come over and pray for her and

664
00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:49.440
spend time with her and love on her, and having

665
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:51.840
people show up in the hospital and visit and be

666
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:55.039
with her and pray over her and spend time and

667
00:43:55.920 --> 00:43:59.119
just encourage her cast a vision for our future and

668
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:01.079
tell her that she had a lot to live for

669
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:05.239
and those kinds of things that we know that helped

670
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:12.960
people come out of the hospital, and so they need

671
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:15.519
to understand that, hey, this is what we're doing. And

672
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:20.039
even when Elizabeth was in the hospital in April and

673
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:23.519
May of twenty twenty, I said, all I want is

674
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:27.280
a dialogue. I just want a dialogue between these between

675
00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:31.000
these decision makers on the visitation and those of us

676
00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:33.199
that are going through it, because they need to hear

677
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:37.039
our story. They need to understand exactly the pain that

678
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:40.199
we're going through, and they need to hear the stories

679
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:43.079
of the anguish of people that weren't able to be

680
00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:49.559
there when their loved one died. Yes, because I get

681
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:52.679
I fully understand when things were going on and there

682
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:56.679
was so much uncertainty around what COVID was because China

683
00:44:56.719 --> 00:45:00.519
wasn't telling them us, Jack Squat, I understand the fear.

684
00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:02.760
I understand that they felt that they needed to tighten

685
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:06.119
things up and they and they needed to, you know,

686
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:09.320
try and get a handle on what was going on

687
00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:12.039
and what was this and how was it transmitted. I

688
00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:18.360
remember those days, but we can't we can't sacrifice the

689
00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:24.480
individual on the altar of protecting hospital, protecting the doctor's,

690
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:28.719
nurse's staff and other patients, because the individuals that were left,

691
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:32.199
it was we lost our humanity in this.

692
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:36.000
Yeah, that is so true.

693
00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:41.119
Go ahead, well and to that point, Steve, I mean, actually,

694
00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:44.840
you know, we know now that we had doctors that

695
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:50.159
were aware of what the what would help treat patients

696
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:52.480
with COVID. I mean we know that now. I mean

697
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:56.360
early on, I mean it was like February March, we

698
00:45:56.400 --> 00:46:00.320
had doctors that knew that the Ibramac and trux of

699
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:05.760
colorque and buds and I worked, you know, for people

700
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:10.880
to recover from so you know, they they did the

701
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:13.880
protocol of putting people on RAMD severe and then the

702
00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:17.880
death protocol. And that was also that they could get

703
00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:23.039
this shot. Otherwise they would not have been able to

704
00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:26.480
get the so called vaccine. So we know that now

705
00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:31.480
and and all of those people need to be held accountable.

706
00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:36.719
Absolutely, so true. And that's what we're working on now.

707
00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:40.119
That's a whole other topic for a different day, but

708
00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:46.639
we are working on getting investigations, criminal investigations and prosecutions

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into the hospitals where patient died of COVID hospital protocols. Steve,

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please tell us your website really quickly. We've got about

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three minutes, and I want to give you the ability

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to tell us your website so people can go and

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look at that legislation and kind of see what they

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need to do on their own state level. It also

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just so you all know, on that website there is

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a huge document, well it's not huge, but it's a

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nice document outlined about how you can get this legislation

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passed at your state and local level.

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The website is never a Loon project dot org. You

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can also go to never Alone pandemic dot org and

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there you can find legislation and other states. You can

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find studies that back it up, some guides on how

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to get this legislation in your state. And in Oklahoma,

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let's try and get a bunch of people to show

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up and try and get these loopholes fixed. Start the

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conversation with these states representatives and the state senators to say, hey,

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we have legislation, but this is how it was exploited.

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Was this the original purpose? And if not, chances are

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it's not. How do we get this fix?

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Absolutely one hundred percent, So Representative hassleback Pickman, Stark, Townly

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and Bowls and Senator Bergstrom and Stevens. Just so you're aware,

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we need an amendment on House Build twenty six eighty seven.

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DEB and I will be talking to you this legislative session.

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I want to thank every one of you for being

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with us today. Thank you to my special guest Steve

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and TODB. I want you all to remember that resistance

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is not futile and blessings to you all.

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It's time to stand up, speak out, get involved, and

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let's beak intentional