Feb. 26, 2025

My Car, My Choice!

My Car, My Choice!

President Trump ends the EV Mandate..so what now? Jason Beeber (Executive Director of Policy at the National Motorists Association) is dedicated to protecting American drivers against the tyranny of the anti-car movement. Let's "Hit The Gas!"...

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Season 1

President Trump ends the EV Mandate..so what now? Jason Beeber (Executive Director of Policy at the National Motorists Association) is dedicated to protecting American drivers against the tyranny of the anti-car movement. Let's "Hit The Gas!"

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It's time to stand up, speak out, get involved, and

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let's speak.

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Intention Hello and welcome to Intentional. I am your host,

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Mick me out Hey. Thanks for joining us live right

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and we are grateful for your support. Okay, everyone, it's time.

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Are you ready because we're going to stand up. We're

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going to speak out, We're going to get involved. We're

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going to be intentional about it. You know what I'm saying.

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Let's today talk about I don't know the green new scammers,

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ooh go woke, go broke gang. How about the climate cult?

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You know those people who kneel at the feed of

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Greta Thunberg, John Kerry and now Gore and the leftist

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faction of the government. They hate them, some fossil fuels man.

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Who remember the Inflation Acceleration Act. It was like seven

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hundred and forty billion boondoggle and it gave us like

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eight electric car charging stations for you know, a bottom

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bargain price of seven point five billion dollars. You know,

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Biden and Harris they were on like a I'm going

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to call it a green shakedown because they were going

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to ban gas stoves, natural gas water heaters. Yeah, get

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rid of them, right, No air conditioner for you, mister, No, no, no,

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any offshore oil or gas drilling. Shut that stuff down.

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And then they were coming after our cars. Do you

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remember when John Carey said this, let's play that clip forward.

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Motor Company and General Motors and other companies around I

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have spent hundreds of billions of dollars tueling their plants.

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Why because they're going electric. And by twenty thirty five,

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that's all we're going to have in America electric cars

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being manufactured, not on the road, but being sold in

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new cars. That's the President Biden's goal by twenty thirty five.

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He wants the power sector of America to be carbon free.

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So if we accelerate these efforts, which is what technology

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and entrepreneurial activity help us to do.

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This is going to change even faster.

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And so that's where I draw enormous hope and some

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optimism because I believe we can still make this happen.

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But we have to make the.

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Right decisions and implement those decisions.

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Hold on their sparky Junior, weren't you the same guy

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in twenty twenty one who said this.

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That's why he rejoined the Paris Agreement so quickly because

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he knows it is urgent. He also knows that Paris

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alone is not enough, not when almost ninety percent of

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all of the planet's emissions global emissions come from outside

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of US borders.

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We could go to zero tomorrow, and the.

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Problem isn't solved.

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So that's why today, one week into the job, President

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Biden will sign this additional executive set of orders to

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help move us down the road, ensuring that ambitious climate

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action is global in scope and scale as well as

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national here at home.

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Oh sure, sure global. We could go to net zero

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and it wouldn't make a difference. Listen, hands off my

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v eight. Okay, So today let's talk about the Wokesters

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and the war on cars. We're going to have j

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Bieber with us. Jay is the executive director director of

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Policy at the National Motorist Association, which is dedicated to

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protecting Americans like you and I as drivers against the

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tyranny of the anti car movement. So let's go welcome

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with me. Jay. Hello, how are you.

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I'm great, have pleasure to be with you. Thanks so

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much for having me on chat about this.

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Oh yeah, yeah, I'm glad that you're here with us.

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I mean this is an important topic. I mean, I

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can't imagine. I remember when John Carey was making all

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of these talks about going in twenty thirty five, you know,

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to you know, carbonet zero, and we weren't going to

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have our cars, and we weren't going to have our

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gas stoves, and we were gonna have this, that and

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the other. And I'm like, really, how are you gonna

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get rid of all the cars? But I think we

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dodged a bullet because President Trump came in, and especially

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with regards to all of that obsession making everyone everything green.

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I'm glad to see that a lot of that has

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been cut out the whole no more gas powered cars

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by twenty thirty five. Jay I kind of think that

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died when Trump came in. In his inauguration speech, he said,

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with my actions today, we will end the Green New

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Deal and we will revoke the electric vehicle mandate WOO,

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saving our auto industry and keeping my sacred pledge to

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my great American auto workers. And we've seen that the

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market for electric vehicles has really kind of stagnated. I

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don't know who could afford them. I can't. But now

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the money's also to build those charging stations are on hold.

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So I'm not sure if this makes auto workers nervous

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or relieved, but with the people like it, and jay

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I thought maybe since you are so closely connected and

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you've got your pulse, your fingers on the pulse of

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this topic, where do you think that this leaves are industry,

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the auto industry right now? And how do you see

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this kind of play out?

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Well, so you mentioned upfront that you know, since the election,

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this dream of having all electric cars has died, but

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it was killed before that by reality. So because the

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reality is you couldn't get there, It's impossible, and there's

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a number of just sort of limiting factors that would

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have made it impossible to get, as Perry had said,

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all electric vehicles, excuse me, all electric vehicles by whatever

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the date, and I forget what he said, twenty thirty

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or twenty thirty five or what.

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It's impossible.

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First of all, you can't mine enough minerals to create

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the batteries that you would need for all those vehicles.

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So that's just the limiting factor right there.

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But the other thing is that this fetish with electric

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vehicles or electricity is just it just doesn't make any

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sense because an electric vehicle is not net zero.

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It's simply not.

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Because when you look at the entire lifespan of an

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electric car, especially with regards to what goes into making

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the battery, that vehicle actually has as much or maybe

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sometimes even more carbon emissions over its lifespan than internal

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combustion engine car. So this whole idea that we have

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to force everybody to go electric is ridiculous because it's

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not even clear that that even helps us with carbon emissions,

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not even considering all the other environmental impacts of what

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happens after.

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The battery is no longer any good.

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You know, what happens in terms of the mining of

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all these minerals and pulling them out on the ground

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and what's left afterwards and all of that kind of thing.

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But just when you look at carbon emission, it's not

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even clear that an electric vehicle is even better than

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an internal combustion engine car. So this whole fantasy is

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hopefully dying. But it's dying not only because of what

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Trump has said, but also because sometimes reality.

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Just comes and smashs you in the face.

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So yeah, I mean, I couldn't afford an electric vehicle,

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and then you've got to get the charging station and

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everything else. But I don't know that anybody has spoken

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about that, that just the creation of the battery will

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will not make you net zero. That's an incredible talking point.

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I wonder why more people don't bring that up for me.

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Yeah, well, there are there are some folks that are

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talking about it's those who are steep this kind of stuff,

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But you know it's not. First of all, you can't

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expect the mainstream media to report on this because they're

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all in on the screen stuff. So if you if

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you're expecting, like just even like the national news to

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come out with, hey, somebody does study. It shows that

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electric fielders are not better, they're not going to report

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on that, so so you know, you have to get

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your news from alternative sources and like this, and and

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you know other other folks who are who are actually

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talking about these things because they're not beholden to some ideology.

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So that's why we appreciate the opportunity to come on

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shows like this. But but yeah, I mean, the fact

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of the matter is that electric vehicles are more expensive.

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They're more expensive to upkeep.

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The vast majority, not the best majority, close to a

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majority of people who have gone to an electric vehicle

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are now saying they're going to switch back to an

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internal combustion engine car. So it's like forty six percent

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of people. So this so you know, people vote with

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their dollars, they vote with their feet, and you know,

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you can't force people to buy something that they don't

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want and that doesn't work for them unless you really,

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you know, kind of cramm down mandates on them or

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or just kind of pay them off.

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To do it, which is what the government was doing.

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But again, when you look at the whole picture of this,

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it doesn't even make sense from.

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An environmental sample.

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You can be the greatest environmental advocate ever, and still

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look at this objectively, if you're willing to look at

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it objectively and say why are we doing this? Like

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why like why are we forcing everybody into electric vehicle

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because it's not even clear that just the manufacturer of

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the car is less in terms of the emissions that

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Just think about for a second. Okay, you have to

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mine for a thousand pound battery in a car, you

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have to mine five hundred thousand pounds of rock. That's

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what has to be mind in order to get a

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thousand pound battery. Think about all of the heavy equipment

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that is viewing out carbon in terms of mining these things. Okay,

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then once you get mind them, you have to manufacture

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them then, so that's going to release carbon. Then you

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have to transport them because most of this mining and

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most of the production of the battery is happening overseas,

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So how do they get here. They're on giant cargo

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ships which few out a lot of carbon. So by

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the time you just get a car onto the lot,

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it's unclear that that you know all of the things

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that go into that. You have to you have to

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create those giant machines that creates carbon, all of the

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stuff that you don't need necessarily for an internal combustion

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engine car because that just has a gas tank. So

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that's just a little bunch of metal and then the

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gas that goes into it. So that's that's a much

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easier to measure in terms of how much carbon is admitted,

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and you know the carbon of the manufacturing of the

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metal and stuff like that. But when you when you

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look at a battery car, you have to look at

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the battery, and that battery adds so much in terms

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of carbon emissions that it usually just sort of swamps

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out any benefit that you would get from the life

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of the car in terms of comparing you know, electric

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vehicle that has zero emissions that you know has no tailpipe,

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but if there was one, there would be zero, and

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an internal combustion car then look at okay, we have

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to create the electricity, right, so now you have to

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add in whatever carbon is is created and spewed out

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in terms of in terms of producing the energy, because

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it can't all be wind and solar, and even wind

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and solar has an effect on the environment. So when

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you look at the whole picture, it just doesn't necessarily

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add up to Hey, these are so much better that

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we need to force everybody into them. There are so

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many better things you could do if you care about

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the environment then forcing everybody into an electric vehicle. And

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we have nothing against electric vehicles. Plenty of members of

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the National Motors Association have electric vehicles. They love them,

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but they don't want to be forced into them, and

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our members and the rest of the public don't want

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to be forced into getting something that just doesn't work

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for them. It does work for some people, and those

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people will buy them. The vast majority of folks that

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buy these vehicles are in zip codes which are very

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wealthy zip codes in blue, liberal states, and we're subsidizing,

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or at least we were subsidizing the purchase of those

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vehicles by our federal tax dollars. So you and I

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were paying for rich for wealthy people in liberal areas

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who want to feel good about.

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they're so much better for the environment so they could

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feel good about themselves, and we're paying for that.

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So I'm glad that a lot of this has been

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rolled back.

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Yeah, me too, Me too, And I'm grateful that you

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are bringing up these points a lot of things that

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I don't even think. I mean, obviously a lot of

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people unless their car enthusiasts or you know, they're part

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of you know, your organization, really kind of no. And

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you know, Jay, I love my car. I'll never give

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it up. But apparently it was reported, and this was

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Auto Week, I think it was last week, that there

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were like sixteen states that have said that they're going

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to Fallo California putting in place what was called the

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Advanced Clean Cars to Proposal. And it's either in fuller impart,

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it's not you know, they're not all the way in.

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Some of them are just doing it partially, which effectively

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apparently bans the sale of new gas and diesel powered

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vehicles in the States starting twenty thirty five. So the

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rule only applies to like the new vehicles, you know.

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Kind of they said, oh, that'll allow like a gradual transition.

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And I was kind of looking at the states basically

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the upper East Coast and the West Coast and then

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like Colorado, New Mexico, Minnesota. But what does that mean

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and how is that going to impact drivers, particularly those

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from another state like I'm in Oklahoma. So if I

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go and drive to California and it's twenty thirty five,

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then is it going to be less less gas stations

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or am I going to be pulled over because there's

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some woke policy and they're like, oh, you're you're doing

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something wrong you get pulled over. I mean, I don't know.

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I'm just I don't think it's a good idea to

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have this kind of thing going on.

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Well, well, look, first of all, all that stuff that

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you mentioned, I wouldn't put it past them. Okay, But

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here's the reality, which is that that you can't have

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enough cars sold for all of the cars, even in

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California to just be electric vehicles. You just can't build

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that many vehicles. It's just not possible. So you either

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have to do one of two things. You either have

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to buy cars from somewhere else or just have less

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cars available. So less car new cars available has a

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huge impact on the cost of used cars, right, so

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people are gonna hold on to their used cars longer. Okay,

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think about the safety aspects of this. Newer cars generally

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are safer. As every new model year comes out, we

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have new things that are new safety features, and so look,

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I have a ninety four Toyota Celica. It's still going right.

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But you know, my new Tubaru is much safer car.

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Okay, it just it just is.

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And so if we delay people buying new cars because

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they aren't available, the kind of car that they want

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is not available, that's a safety issue, and that's a

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safety problem for our roadways. So there's all of these

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things that are intertwined. People like to kind of silo

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this off and look at its like, oh, it's only

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about carboner, it's only about emissions, it's only about the climate.

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It's about everything in our lives. And let's be clear

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about this, going to an electric vehicle. Even if they

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were able to do that, they they would not stop there.

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And they've already said they're not.

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It's not there. So so understand.

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I have a quote that I want to read you

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because it's it's very clear what they what they mean,

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and what and what they're shooting for, which which and

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this is and this is the quote. Achieving that zero

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by twenty fifty cannot be achieved without the sustained support

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and participation from citizens. Behavioral changes such as replacing car

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strips with walking cycling or public transport or foregoing long

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haul flight provide around four percent of the cumulative emissions

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reductions in our pathway. So in order to get to

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that zero four percent of that, you have to give

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up your car, you have to walk more, you have

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to buy more, you have to.

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Take public transit, you have to change your behavior. And

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they do this.

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There's a whole bunch of ways that they try to

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get you and culture you into changing the behavior that

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they don't like, which is getting in your car, going

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somewhere and living your life.

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Yeah, for sure, absolutely, I see it here in our state.

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You know, they have their oh gosh, I know they're

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calling them parks or whatever, but they're you know, they're like,

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you know, they're globalists, they're you know, sustainability parks or whatever,

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and they're you know, they're all the bike paths. And

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you know, of course even in your Midwestern areas, you know,

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they're building the fifteen minute cities so you know, you

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don't jump in your car. You know, you only stay

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within fifteen minutes of where you live, you know, trying

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to make that all all a reality. And so I

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know we're seeing it across the nation, but you know,

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I really kind of hope that with the Trump administration

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and of course with Lee Zelden and all of that

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in the EPA, that a lot of that is going

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to be thwarted off and stalled down because I just

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can't see all Americans, especially people like me who live

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out more in a rural area, we don't want that,

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you know. But speaking of lee Zelden, there was and

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this was sent out by Lee Zelden and the EPA apparently,

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and I want you to kind of break this down

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because I looked at this and went, I'm sorry, what,

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But apparently the Biden administration failed to send some rules

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on California waivers to Congress, and this is what it's

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said in his note that was preventing members of Congress

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from deciding on extremely consequential actions that have massive impacts

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and costs across the entire United States. The Trump EPA

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is transparently correcting this wrong and rightly following.

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The rule of law.

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This included the California's Advanced Clean Cars too, which we

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just spoke about, Advanced Clean trucks and Omnibus No X rules.

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So what is that?

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So let's explain this a little bit. So California. Yeah,

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way back in.

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The probably the sixties and seventies, when they had a

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really add smog problem. Use me, I'm sorry, when they

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had a really bad smog problem, Uh, they were given

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special waiver from the federal government to have emission standards

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that were beyond what the federal government uh approved.

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So, and this was because you know, excuse me, maybe

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legitimately they needed, you know, because they were having a

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particular problem there. But since then they had been using

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this to force the rest of the country to do

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what California is doing. So so they have this waiver

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and it hasn't been and it hasn't been rolled back yet.

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And so so what they do is they say, okay, well,

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our standard for cars in California is going to be this,

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which is much higher standard.

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Than say, the rest of the country.

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But manufacturers they can't build a whole bunch of different

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cars for different for different states. So so what they

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do is saying, well, there's a lot of people are

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going to buy cars in California. They're the big you know,

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they're they're the big dog, this tail that's wagging the

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rest of the dog of the country.

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So we're going to make bike it to their standards.

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And this is how the California forces their standards on

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everybody else.

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Now with regards to what E.

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P A is doing in Liezelden, there are certain California

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has to come to the federal government and get this

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waiver in order to do say a new a new

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thing like the Clean Cars initiative and that sort of thing.

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So it's but it's under this this uh, this this

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waiver that they have overall, right, So so what happens

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is the administration sends to Congress this this request, and

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then Congress can needs to vote on it.

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They don't have to pass the law.

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They just vote on whether they want to approve this.

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And because they can vote simply with a majority of

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each aspect of the government, so whether it's the Senate

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or the House, if they both vote with just a

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simple majority, they can deny this request. And so this

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is why the PA and under Lee Zelden, is sending

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this to the Congress, because the Biden administration didn't want

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to send it to Congress because they knew with the

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new Congress that it would probably be denied, so they

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just they just didn't send it. And so you know,

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so by default it would be like, oh, they can

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keep doing it until we send it to the to

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the Congress and the Congress says yes or no.

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So this is the game that they were playing. They

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played a lot of.

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Games after the election because they knew they were going

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out the door. So they approved New York City's congestion

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pricing plan illegally. There's a whole bunch of things that

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they did to try to force this stuff through, to

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make the new administration have to jump through a whole

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bunch of hoops to roll back things as opposed to

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just kind of start freshing and allow them to do

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what they had the mandate to do from the public.

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So they have to spend a whole bunch of time

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flawing back a whole bunch of stuff that the Biden

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administration did at the eleventh hour after the election.

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Yeah. Yeah, and we saw that. I mean it was

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like every day something came up, whether it was selling

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off the border wall or whatever, you know, banning the

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offshore you know, drilling. But I mean it was just

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ridiculous stuff.

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You know.

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My understanding is that you know, it increased the cost

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of the vehicles. This this waiver did, Is that right?

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It increased it made the vehicles more expensive.

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Yeah. Absolutely.

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I mean, look, anytime you impose additional regulations, you're going

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to drive up the cost of whatever it is you're regulating.

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So in particular cars, I mean, if you have to

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get to a certain standard then and it's you know,

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a clean Card's initiative, think about how much you would.

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Have to do if you didn't have that additional standard.

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And with regards to say California, in order to meet

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their demand. This is sort of a backdoor way of

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mandating evs because evs they only count how much the

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emission is when you use the car, not the emissions

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of all the we talked about earlier, about all of

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the generation of the and all that.

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Kind of stuff.

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They only counted as zero emissions because there's nothing coming

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out of the car, and so they play this little

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game of this is zero and this other car is

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you know, it's an eternal combustion engine, so it's it's

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you know, putting out this much carbon. And in order

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to get to the Clean Cars initiative, we only can

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sell electric vehicles. So that's how they're able to mandate it.

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They could also they could also pass along and just

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mandate it in the state. But I think there would

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be a lot of lawsuits about it.

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Yeah, yeah, I bet that's crazy. That's that's insanity. But

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you know, I mean we kind of we kind of

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have seen that, you know, happen, you know, the last

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sixteen years. And I'm not pushing at all on the

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Democrats because you know, Republicans, you guys, you need to

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straighten up and fly right as well. But but yeah,

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that's you know, I'm glad that Lee Zelden is bringing

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that out. I think those are the things that people

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want to see, They need to see, they need to understand,

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you know, what has been done behind the scene. I

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also kind of has seen a lot of headlines that

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have come across and they're talking about the Trump tariffs

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and they say, like, the Trump tariffs and the ev

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policies have carmakers and consumers on edge, or Trump's evy

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tariff plan is going to bring more of certainty into

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the auto industry. Do you think that's true? I mean,

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do you what do you think about about how Trump

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is doing him his tariffs. Do you think that that's

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going to be helpful or not helpful, or do you

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think it won't make a difference.

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Well, it depends on how that that power is fielded.

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That's that's so for example, one of the things that

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Trump said was he was going to impose an equal

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tariff on cars coming into the United States from Europe. Well,

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immediately Europe dropped their their tariffs to what it was

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for the United States. So you know, for what the

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Unite State was charging, you know, cars to come in,

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they didn't want an increase, so they dropped there. So

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00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:06.559
you can use tariffs in that way in order to

473
00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:11.400
make things better for uh, for the American people in

474
00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:14.240
terms of the cost of things, you know, in terms

475
00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:16.240
of you could use tariffs as a protectionist thing so

476
00:26:16.279 --> 00:26:17.960
that we're not you know where to protect jobs here.

477
00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:20.319
That's that's one way of doing it. But when you

478
00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:23.160
do that, you then also again looking at the big picture.

479
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:25.279
If you're going to have tariffs on something and you

480
00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:27.480
drive off the cost of the materials to make that thing,

481
00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:31.039
then cars get more expensive. So you know, there's there's

482
00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:33.039
this trade off. There's this you know, hey, you want

483
00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:36.759
to have more you know cars built in the United States, great,

484
00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:40.000
but understand that that may drive up the cost of

485
00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:42.319
of it to some extent. Now, at some point there

486
00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:45.920
may reach a different equilibrium, but at least initially you

487
00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:49.160
may see a bump in costs. But you know, there's

488
00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:51.200
there's a whole bunch of things that are all mixed

489
00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:53.839
in together. You know, National Motors Association is not a

490
00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:57.160
you know, a tariff group in terms of in terms

491
00:26:57.160 --> 00:27:00.319
of our expertise. So but but you know, we just

492
00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:02.960
look at hey, in this particular instance, what will it

493
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:03.799
do right here?

494
00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:05.880
So there's also a big global picture.

495
00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:08.440
There's also a question of China, and there's a question

496
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:10.400
of you know, the kind of cars if they want

497
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:13.799
to bring in, what about the security features of those cars?

498
00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:16.640
Are they going to have spyware in them so they

499
00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:18.640
can track everything that you're doing, and so they know

500
00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:21.440
more about you know, American's habits, so they can use

501
00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:23.599
that against us in cyber warfare and all that kind

502
00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:25.920
of stuff. So there's concerns on that, and you know,

503
00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:29.559
the President hopefully and his cabinet in the White House

504
00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:33.680
and hopefully Congress are looking at the bigger picture of everything.

505
00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:35.599
You know, so to some extent you have to trust

506
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:38.240
a little of that. But you know, we we.

507
00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:39.960
Have to sort of look at stuff on a case

508
00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:41.720
by case basis in terms of what is this what

509
00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:43.279
is this particular policy.

510
00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:45.119
Going to do for our members, and what our members

511
00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:45.920
are concerned about.

512
00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:53.000
Yeah. Absolutely, Well let's talk about the National Motorist Association.

513
00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:58.680
You're the executive director of policy there, so tell us

514
00:27:58.759 --> 00:28:02.440
a little bit just kind of about what you all

515
00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:05.960
do and how you help motorists. What's kind of the

516
00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:06.519
goal there.

517
00:28:06.920 --> 00:28:09.799
Well, I should back up a little bit and tell

518
00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:13.319
how we got started. Okay, So the National Mots Association

519
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:15.960
was formed in the nineteen eighties to fight the fifty

520
00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:18.319
five mile an hour national speed limit. That was I

521
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:20.920
don't know if you remember this, but federal government said

522
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:24.440
states cannot have a speed limit on any roadway in

523
00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:26.839
their state higher than fifty five miles an hour if

524
00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:32.240
you want any federal dollars. So the organization was formed

525
00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:35.480
to fight that. Eventually, we won that fight in the nineties,

526
00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:37.319
but that was eventually completely repealed.

527
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:40.319
And you're welcome.

528
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:43.440
And if you like the fact that in most states

529
00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:46.160
you can travel on a highway faster than fifty five

530
00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:49.160
mile and miles an hour legally, you.

531
00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:51.039
Can thank the National Motors Association for that.

532
00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:53.720
We weren't the only people involved, but certainly we were

533
00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:58.200
leading the charge. And when that fight was finished, there

534
00:28:58.200 --> 00:28:59.839
were still a lot of fights having to do with

535
00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:04.880
just reasonable speed limits overall on surface streets, also on highways.

536
00:29:05.480 --> 00:29:08.400
There's you know, we do get involved in a lot

537
00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:11.279
of things having to do with automated enforcement because you

538
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:13.640
know that anything they can do to make your driving

539
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:17.039
more difficult, more expensive, penalize you for getting in your car.

540
00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:21.119
Most of these systems are designed to generate revenue, not

541
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:26.400
improve safety. They exploit flaws and the engineering of our systems,

542
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:30.160
our roadways, our cars, and human beings, failures and so

543
00:29:31.160 --> 00:29:33.359
and so those are not really safety measures. Those are

544
00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:36.440
really to generate revenue and also to make driving more expensive.

545
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:39.039
So there's those sorts of things.

546
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:40.880
There's a whole bunch of new things that have come

547
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:43.359
out in the last decade or two, which are things

548
00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:46.519
like this thing called Vision zero, which is this idea

549
00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:50.160
that nobody should ever die in a car accident ever again,

550
00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:52.440
so everybody has to go twenty miles an hour in

551
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:53.680
case you hit somebody, you.

552
00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:55.680
Know, like that, that kind of thing. So it's this

553
00:29:55.880 --> 00:29:59.400
is this these crazy ideas. But if you look at there's.

554
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:01.000
This thing called complete streets, which is part of that,

555
00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:05.319
which is which is we have to build streets.

556
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:06.720
Equitably for everybody.

557
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:09.200
So you know, if a bicyclist wants to draw it

558
00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:11.079
right on the street, we have to give lanes over

559
00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:13.880
to bicyclists. We want to give lanes over the transit

560
00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:15.559
we have, so you have to take away car lanes

561
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:17.200
in order to do that. So it's a way of

562
00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:20.319
impairing car travel, but it's equitable, right, So we call

563
00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:24.119
this socialism for roadways and so and so.

564
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:26.640
We're we're seeing a rollback of some of that stuff.

565
00:30:27.319 --> 00:30:31.440
Actually, when Sean Duffy was sworn in, a couple of

566
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:35.319
days later, the Federal Highway Administration took down their page

567
00:30:35.720 --> 00:30:36.880
on complete streets.

568
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:39.960
So that's a good thing, right. So so we're seeing

569
00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:40.920
we're seeing some movement.

570
00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:43.880
And then so it's all of this kind of like

571
00:30:43.960 --> 00:30:47.079
woke nonsense about how nobody should ever get in the car,

572
00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:49.440
you can go anywhere and do anything that you're destroying

573
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:52.079
the planet by, you know, going to the grocery store.

574
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:54.880
And so you mentioned fifteen minute cities.

575
00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:56.960
It's that kind of stuff where nobody should ever go anywhere,

576
00:30:57.079 --> 00:30:59.799
should only ride a bicycle because you know, you have

577
00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:02.559
to be good to mother nature, you know, not counting

578
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:05.160
the fact that most people, if they're relegated to that.

579
00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:07.119
Would be living in the in the eighteen hundreds. Again,

580
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:09.960
So this is the kind of stuff we work on

581
00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:10.440
every day.

582
00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:13.799
We protect you, protect you from speed trass, we protect

583
00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:15.039
you from unfair enforcement.

584
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:18.960
And you know, every year, every session, every.

585
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:21.799
State has new laws that they are trying to impose

586
00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:26.599
and make driving more difficult, more expensive, more miserable. Just

587
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:29.240
just slow everybody down and get people out of their

588
00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:33.359
cars and so and so we just we fight against

589
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:35.680
that in all, in all fifty states and Canada.

590
00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:39.480
So you know, that's what we do. So we're membership organization.

591
00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:40.839
We're also five o' one C three.

592
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:43.839
So if you remember, ask you about the tank of

593
00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:46.759
costing a tank of gas for years forty two dollars

594
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:50.880
a year, and if you donate to us, it's tax adaptable.

595
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:54.759
Wow, that's great. Let me ask you this because you

596
00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:58.319
guys do you do a lot. I saw there was

597
00:31:58.359 --> 00:32:01.319
even you know, I mean, you guys were pretty diverse

598
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:04.680
out there. Do you think we're ever going to be

599
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:07.480
able to get to the point where I mean, you know,

600
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:11.160
we we had you know the people who were talking

601
00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:14.519
you know, sustainability, you know, of the of the road,

602
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:18.960
you know, equity of the road, you know, Pete buddhaj Edge,

603
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:21.440
you know, talking about how bridges are racist, you know,

604
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:25.000
And so, uh, do you ever think we'll get to

605
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:29.480
the point where we can just stop stop all this

606
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:34.759
wokeness kind of go back in time. I don't know

607
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:37.000
that that's the right word, but go back in time,

608
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:40.880
like I don't know, maybe twenty years where all this

609
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:44.200
craziness isn't there anymore, you know, I would hope.

610
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:46.759
So it's going to take people voting for the right folks.

611
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:49.319
And that's and that's just the bottom line, you know.

612
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:51.680
I mean, and let me say this, it's not only

613
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:52.920
Democrats that are a bad about this.

614
00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:54.559
There are a lot of Republicans that are bad about

615
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:55.079
this as well.

616
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:57.599
So I'm not just laying it on one on one

617
00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:01.519
political party or one political ideology. One political ideology is

618
00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:05.039
more in on this, There's no question about it. But

619
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:07.640
but you know, I'm not letting anybody off the hook here.

620
00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:10.279
So yeah, we need.

621
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:15.559
Rational policies that are based on facts, in reality, things, things,

622
00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:17.599
things that are actually real. And we also have to

623
00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:20.920
recognize that we have to let people, we have to

624
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:22.759
let people get where they need to go. And so

625
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:26.039
there's this belief out there by some folks that that

626
00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:28.799
there are no sys things as trade offs, right like

627
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:31.160
like that that you could have you can have a utopia,

628
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:33.359
you know, you can have a perfect system in which

629
00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:36.000
nobody ever dies, and that means that you know, everybody

630
00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:38.480
takes transit and whatever. So these these what I call

631
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:41.440
these people reality deniers, right like, like this is just

632
00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:44.440
not going to happen. They're trade off deniers that you know,

633
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:47.720
they they don't believe that, you know, everything in life

634
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:50.160
is a trade off, and it is, okay, it is

635
00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:52.440
clearly every you know, we're sitting here, we're spending our

636
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:55.039
time talking to each other. That means that we're trading

637
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:57.240
bad off for something else we could be doing. And I,

638
00:33:57.599 --> 00:33:59.799
you know, there's there's nothing else I would rather do

639
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:02.960
and to chat with you, but but there are others,

640
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:07.160
you know. But it is a trade off. So we

641
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:09.920
have to look at these things rationally. And my hope

642
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:13.840
is that under the Trump administration, Sean Duffy and the

643
00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:17.519
folks at DOT will roll back some of this. As

644
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:19.480
I mentioned, some of it has been rolled back. They

645
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:22.559
also took down the website, which was the Equity and

646
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:25.559
Roadway Safety with websites. So they are going after some

647
00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:27.920
of this, but there's a ton more things. The Vision

648
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:30.639
zero stuff is still up there, the lower speed limit

649
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:35.400
stuff is still up there, the automated enforcement stuff is

650
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:38.000
still up there. Because you know what happens is you

651
00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:39.519
talk about safety, right, Oh, we.

652
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:40.199
Want to save lives.

653
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:41.480
We want to say say you know, and all of

654
00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:43.639
a sudden people lose their heads and they can't think

655
00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:46.280
about anything other than if we could save one life,

656
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:48.519
you know, like that kind of stuff. So, like I said,

657
00:34:48.519 --> 00:34:51.840
any politician can be subject to that kind of pressure.

658
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:55.840
But what they need to do at federal highways, at

659
00:34:55.880 --> 00:35:02.400
the at NITZA, the National Highway Transportation, the administration and

660
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:05.960
and other UH and other things under DOT is they

661
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:07.760
just need to clean house. They just need to get

662
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:09.400
rid of the folks there that are all in on this.

663
00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:11.920
I don't know if they will. Maybe, you know, Elon

664
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:14.320
Musk when he gets in there, will find the fact

665
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:17.880
that that the federal dollars are going to the bike

666
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:20.079
and ped advocates that are trying to force us out

667
00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:20.599
of our cars.

668
00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:23.440
They've they've been they've been giving them.

669
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:26.960
Our federal tax dollars so they could lobby against us

670
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:28.599
in terms of being able to get in our cars

671
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:29.280
and go places.

672
00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:33.000
So hopefully that will that will stop and they can

673
00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:35.079
root out some of the stuff. You know. You know,

674
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:39.400
they say the deep state is deep you know, so yeah,

675
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:41.199
you know so, So it's.

676
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:45.840
Right exactly, and it's all it's all tied in with

677
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:49.719
with you know, these ideologies. People are you know, learn

678
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.880
this stuff in colleges because they don't learn reality, they

679
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:56.360
learn ideology, and so, you know, they get out into

680
00:35:56.360 --> 00:35:58.280
the real world they start working at these agencies because

681
00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:00.000
they want to change the world and make everything great.

682
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:02.880
So now they're part of this agency and that they

683
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:05.320
can do a lot of stuff behind the scenes that

684
00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:08.159
you know, write a report. Oh, this report from Federal

685
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:11.559
Highway Administration says automated enforcement is the greatest thing ever,

686
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:16.320
even though it's not because somebody decided ideology they want.

687
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:18.719
Them, so that's what they come out with in terms

688
00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:19.480
of their policies.

689
00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:21.400
So it used to be that it was based there

690
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:25.280
were real engineers, it was really based on real things,

691
00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:28.679
but now almost everything is based on ideology and that

692
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:32.519
goes all the way through to the colleges and the

693
00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:35.480
universities and any studies they do. They know that if

694
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:38.400
they're getting federal dollars, and the federal government at least

695
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:40.519
previously wanted the result to.

696
00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:43.159
Come out a certain way, John, well, better believe that.

697
00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:44.880
Result is going to come out that way, because otherwise

698
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:46.320
they won't get anything funding.

699
00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:51.559
Yeah, right on, right on, absolutely, Yeah, Jay, I'm going

700
00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:54.599
to let you kind of have the last word here.

701
00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:58.840
Anything that you want to tell us, anything coming up

702
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:04.079
with your organization, the National Motorists Association. We are scrolling

703
00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:08.079
that website so you all can go and visited anything

704
00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:10.480
that is coming up with you that you'd like to

705
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:11.039
let us know.

706
00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:14.239
Yeah, well, look, we're just in this fight every day.

707
00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:17.920
Join us. There are member benefits. Go on the website

708
00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:22.039
motorists dot org at motors displural dot org.

709
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:23.760
Go check us out.

710
00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:26.000
See if you know you want to spend forty two

711
00:37:26.039 --> 00:37:29.519
dollars become part of the fight. Like I said, there's benefits.

712
00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:33.559
You get a quarterly magazine, We give you updates. We're

713
00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:35.840
going to be doing something for our folks in California

714
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:38.480
because there's a lot of new bills in California.

715
00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:40.119
That would be really really bad for motorists.

716
00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:42.039
So we're going to have a legislative briefing and get

717
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:44.840
people involved in that coming up next week. If you

718
00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:46.519
go to our website right now, as a matter of fact,

719
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:50.320
there's a little pop up and you can download a

720
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:54.039
document that will explain to you what you should do

721
00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:56.559
if you are pulled over by the police. First, how

722
00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:58.719
to avoid getting pulled over by the police, and then

723
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:01.400
not necessarily how to talk your way out of a ticket,

724
00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:02.880
but just sort of how not to talk your way

725
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:06.400
into a ticket. Maybe more so, but but it's just

726
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:09.960
it's good, good information. It's free. You know, we try

727
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:11.360
to we try to help people out as much as

728
00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:13.519
we can. But you know, become a member. It's forty

729
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:16.400
two bucks. It's it's basically nothing. So so be part

730
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:18.280
of the fight because we can't do it without your help.

731
00:38:18.679 --> 00:38:22.079
Absolutely. You know, Jay, it was really good to talk

732
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:22.880
to you today.

733
00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:23.480
Uh.

734
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:27.559
I actually learned a lot things that I that I

735
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:30.480
didn't know or you know, that I don't naturally uh

736
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:33.280
or normally talk about. So I'm glad that I had

737
00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:36.199
you come on. We'd like to have you back and

738
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:39.360
talk to us more. Uh, maybe we could delve into

739
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:44.960
two other areas of the woke transportation system there, and

740
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:47.199
it was it was good to be with you today.

741
00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:48.320
It was the pleasure.

742
00:38:48.679 --> 00:38:51.599
Well, thank you so much, and it was good to

743
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:54.519
be with you all today. Now I will see you tomorrow.

744
00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:59.159
Remember that resistance is not feudal and blessings to you

745
00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:00.440
all always.

746
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:40.159
It's time to stand up, speak out, get involved, and

747
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:42.079
let's speak intentional