Nov. 8, 2024

No One Should Die Alone

No One Should Die Alone

The separation of patients from their families is a tragedy - but that is exactly what happened to many loved ones during COVID. Those patients were then forced to die alone.

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The separation of patients from their families is a tragedy - but that is exactly what happened to many loved ones during COVID. Those patients were then forced to die alone.

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us to stand up, speak out, get involved, and let's

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be intentional now. As you know, I've been a nurse

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for twenty eight years. My specialties were cancer, critical care

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and clinical trials. My greatest desire and my heart will

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always be to minister to those who are in need physically, mentally,

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and spiritually. I love being a nurse. It really truly

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is a tremendous part of who I am. However, what

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has happened and continues to happen in our healthcare industry

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must be addressed. I can't stress enough this point. We

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must have frank conversations about patient care issues, regardless of

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how uncomfortable they are. We must focus on those communications.

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And I believe that with President Donald J. Trump and

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Robert F. Kennedy Junior at the HELM, that opportunity is

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now wide open for us now. During COVID, there was

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a very concerning shift in our healthcare industry, and what

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I saw was that there was a movement away from

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patient centric care with a duty to do no harm

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to its current status, which is a Marxist infiltrated entity

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that is guided by profits, diversity, equity, and inclusion in

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the profession of nursing, advocacy is not just a crucial

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pillar of the care that it is provided. It is

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the most essential role that nurses have. It ensures that

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when patients are at their most vulnerable sick and in

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the hospital or other care facilities, that they and their

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caregivers are informed of what is going on and educated

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on everything that includes treatments, drugs, procedures, follow up care,

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and ensure that they receive that assistance to negotiate those

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obstacles which can be many, but the most important thing

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is to protect and to safeguard them against harm. Now

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that includes some bold action on our part, right speaking

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out and yes, pushing back when you see something like

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what happened in our health care facilities COVID, when patient rights,

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patient advocacy and informed consent were decimated. What must never,

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and I mean it never be tolerated ever again, is

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the denial of access to family, friends and their loved

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ones while of patient is in the hospital. We should

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have never denied dying patients their ability to have their

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loved ones at their side to receive their last rights

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and to allow their families to view their body after death.

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But the denial to patients of all of these things

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and more absolutely did happen. As a nurse and an advocate,

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I am determined and I've got my hackles up now.

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I am determined to ensure that there is medical freedom,

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not just here in the state of Oklahoma, but across

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the nation. As an influencer, my goal is to educate

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and raise awareness so that the word gets out everywhere

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about what is happening and what is needed in this

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movement and how others can join in because we they,

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all of us, are needed in this fight to protect

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our future generations. Today, we are going to lean in

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with two very special guests. One is Steve Rider. He

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is the founder of the Never Alone Project, which has

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led the charge and has really been a clarion call

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for the legislation that would ensure that patients have the

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right to at least one screened visitor per day with

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no time limits. And Deborah Davis, who is the vice

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chair of the former FEDS group Freedom Foundation here in

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Oklahoma and whose husband was a Vietnam veteran a firefighter

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and was killed by the COVID hospital protocols. Please everybody

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welcome with me Steve and Deborah. Hello, Steve, Deborah, how

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are you today?

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Doing well? Doing well? It's a snowy day here in

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Colorada Springs.

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I'm good fine, good, Oh my goodness, snow in Colorado already.

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That is amazing, quicker than I thought.

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They are oftentimes where we'll get snow in October. I've

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had snow. I've lived here twenty seven years. I've had

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snow every single month except August.

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What.

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Wow, that's amazing. I lived in Alaska, so I can

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I can attest to we did that in.

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Alaska from a tornado.

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So yeah, yeah, tornadoes in November? Right who even? So

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who edited on their bingo card? I didn't you know,

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but yeah, yeah. But I do want to have a

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full transparency that Deborah and I are working together on

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projects to end medical tyranny and to bring medical freedom

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to our state. And Steve has been on my show before,

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and it is really great to have him back with us. Guys,

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what we saw during COVID, this push to isolate people

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in the hospital where we are really social beings. You know,

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we need food, we need water to sustain our physical

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well being, but we also need that interaction and love

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to sustain our psychological and our spiritual well being. And

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in times of stress and illness, these needs dramatically increase.

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Humans really need the presence and the comfort of others

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to optimize their ability to be able to be physically

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and emotionally healthy. However, during COVID families we know were

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kept out of the hospitals, and in many instances they

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were forced out. And what I'd like to do really

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quickly is I would appreciate it if both of you

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would take a few minutes to just tell us about

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your experience in the hospital. And Uh, Steve, I'm going

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to go ahead and start with you, if you don't mind.

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Yeah, my late wife dealt with health issues our entire marriage, lupus,

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rheumatord arthritis, and then in twenty fourteen, ten years ago

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almost it was ten years ago next week, she was

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diagnosed with pulmonary hypertension. Anyone that's familiar with palmary hypertension,

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it's just it's an incurable disease. And so when COVID

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first happened in March of twenty twenty, she thought she

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had it. She got a test that came back negative.

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But because I started exhibiting symptoms or doctor wouldn't see

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her in person, they did virtual visits and they were monitoring.

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We had a pulse oximitor, she had an oxygen condensed.

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We had a lot of equipment to be able to

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take care of things. But Mick, as a nurse, you know,

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you can't diagnose a lung infection that's developing into pneumonia

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and setsist o. Virtual visits and so over the course

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of seven weeks, those first seven weeks of the pandemic,

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up and down, up and down. Some day should be

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in bed, some day should be up and around. Well,

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on April twenty ninth, she woke up throwing up at

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about three in the morning, not even able to keep

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a sipa gatorade down, and after two hours we knew

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she had to go to the hospital. She admitted after

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the fact that she would have gone to the hospital

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sooner had they allowed visitation, And so when she went

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in she got a fresh COVID test. I got a

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COVID test. Both of us were negative, and I thought,

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we're friends with her doctors. We're friends with a lot

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of the nurses and the staff, I'll get in. The

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answer was no. It was always no, only for imminent death,

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which Mick you as a nurse, no, that things can

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turn at the drop of the hack. And so when

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I talked to her that first morning after she spent

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her first night there at the hospital, she told me,

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I thought I was going to choke to death on

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my own flame, that's how bad the pneumonia was. And

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so never allowed in. And over those twenty one days

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she slowly started to recover, and the stress of her

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being in the hospital on Mother's Day weekend, her health

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dipped and she started bleeding in one of her lungs,

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and they moved her from the step down ICU to

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the ICU and again still not let in. So but

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because she started bleeding in one of her lungs and

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she bet on blood dinners all those years for the

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pulmonary hyphpertension, they additor at kawagulant to stop the bleeding,

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which presented a blood clot risk, and the day before

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she was set to come home, she threw a blood

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clot into her lungs, went into cardiac arrest and died.

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Oh Lord, I.

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Believe with everything in me, I believe with everything in me.

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Had I been allowed in there, she would still be here.

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Had been all out in there, she would have gone

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to the hospital sooner. Had her doctor seen her in person,

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they would have treated the infection. Had I been in there,

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I don't think her health would ad DiPT Mother's Day weekend.

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And I believe my boys would still have their mother.

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They were thirteen and fifteen at the time, and she

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was forty years old. Two weeks ago she would have

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turned forty five. My boys would still have their mother.

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So I've made this determination that I don't ever want

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to I don't want anyone to go through this, but

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more importantly, I don't ever want to go through this again.

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And so we've been fighting for legislation. We were mobilizing

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a community to raise awareness about this issue. So ultimately

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we can see federal legislative change that protects a patient's

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right to one at least one screen loved one per day,

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no time limits, no matter what's going on. That's all

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I'd asked for. We can balance the need to protect doctor's,

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nurse's staff, and other patients, and I get that, but

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we have to give that individual the love and attention

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that they need. Because we are those social creatures. We

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are ones that we need touch. And the studies go

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over and over and over again that having a loved

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one there aids in the healing process and it increases

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health outcomes. Conversely, loneliness and isolation increase mortality.

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Amen, Amen, so true, Uh debye. I want to give

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you a little bit of time there to tell us

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a little bit about what happened to Jimmy. Can you

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hear me? I missed that, meg oh. I was just saying,

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I wanted to give you a few minutes there to

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kind of tell us about your experience in the hospital there.

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What happened to Jimmy King?

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Go ahead?

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Can you hear.

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Jimmy and I got COVID at my mother's funeral and

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he had to go his oxygen. Can you hear me?

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Yes, Jimmy's I'll keep.

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In The level got down to fifty six and so

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I had to call an ambulance for him to be

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taken to the hospital and I followed and once I

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got there, they wouldn't let me in, and I said, well,

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he needs me with him because I miss healthcare advocate.

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I knew he wasn't really.

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Thinking clearly because this oxygen was so low and they said, well,

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you can't be in here. He's got COVID and I said, well,

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I live with him, and they said get out of

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this hospital and I said no, he needs me, I

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miss healthcare advocate, and they.

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Said no, leave.

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In this hospital.

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Bill.

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And this went on.

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For a while.

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By a tornado Sunday morning. So we're evidently having internet problems.

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Can you hear me now?

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Yeah? Yeah, I can hear you now.

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Can you hear me now, Mick?

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Yeah.

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So they told me I had to leave the hospital.

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If I didn't leave the hospital that they would call

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the police and have me put in jail. And so

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I said, we have the no patient left alone law

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here in Oklahoma, and they said we're not following it,

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and I also said we I asked them to not

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give him. I told them not to give him remdiu

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severe and I said, give I'd like for you to

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give him ivermectin drug clorquin dudess and I, you know

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the protocol that we all know works. And they said no,

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we're not doing that and the FDA, UH and CDC

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won't let us. And I said, well, I have case

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studies that show that it works, they said, we don't care.

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And so my husband was murdered by the hospital protocols

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and died ten days after he went into the hospital.

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And that's the brief accounting of it. You know, I

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could go on.

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But well, it's totally and completely agree.

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he was a Vietnam veteran.

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Yeah, no, it's totally egregious. Deb and my heart is right. No, no,

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you didn't interrupt me. I know there's a little bit

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of a delay. There's so no problem. But but you know,

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Deb and Steve, my my heart is with you because

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this this is agreed. This is the most egregious thing

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in it and it really gets me upset because as

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a nurse, that should never have happen, and we need

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to ensure that this never happens. And so, Steve, your

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mission and vision was not only to raise awareness regarding

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the dangers of loneliness and isolation for patients and family

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members in the healthcare system, but also to advocate, as

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you mentioned, for this legislation and ensure that patients have

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the right for visitation. And I want you to tell

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us a little bit about that. Never Loane project getting

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this legislation passed at a national federal level.

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Yeah, the idea is, ultimately we need this in federal

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law because there are some states that will never pass it.

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I always I always used to lumping California amongst those

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that would never pass it. But amazingly enough, this year

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California passed in their state Senate, his state House, and

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then state Senate solid not amazing, but solid no patient

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left alone legislation that was then vetoed by Governor Gavin Newsom.

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Why he did that, I have no idea, And so

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I'm I'm going to be talking with that state representative

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who was the spearhead of that in the next hopefully

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a couple of weeks now that the election is finally over.

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But yeah, I'm blown away at how this hospital was

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able to flaunt this law that Oklahoma has, which is

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one of the better ones that we have in the nation.

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I'm curious to know what exactly happened that they said, yeah,

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we're not following that. It's clear in the legislation that Deborah,

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provided she pass the screening, Deborah or someone else that

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they said, like a child, another family member, whatever, should

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have been able to get in there to be with

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her husband. I'm curious about this because here in Colorado,

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the only blue state in the nation that is as

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legislation after our legislation was passed. Right, I'll go ahead,

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go ahead, Deborah.

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Let me kind of pass this to you, Deb, because

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Steve was talking about I believe it's the HB two

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six eighty seven bill in twenty twenty one.

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Guys, I'm having difficult it's freezing it up. Okay, well,

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so there's no Patient Left Alone.

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So so Deb just a second here, because you are

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freezing let me just preface this. It's the No Patient

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Left Alone Act, and it provides for visitation rights and policies,

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but there's a really big loophole which needs to be addressed.

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Deb Can you tell us a little bit about the

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legislation and the need for it to be amended. What

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did you find? Can you hear me?

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Hm?

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Can you? Can you hear me dead? Can you tell

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us a little bit about the bill?

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Yes, I can hear you. When they first did the

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first version of the legislation, when the first draft of

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it it was it was good, but then they I mean,

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they've had can.

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You hear me now?

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Yeah?

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Go ahead, I can hear I could hear you, but

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I keep freezing out.

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Yeah, do you want to try and call in? Do

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you want to try and call We're gonna I'm gonna

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pull up this. I'm gonna have you call in I.

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Or should I get on my with my iPhone? Nick?

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Try try calling in and see because that may be good.

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And I'm going to pull this bill up and we're

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going to talk about it here for just a moment, Okay, okay,

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So yeah, go ahead and call in. So one of

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the things that I noticed about this bill and dead

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brought this to my attention, Steve, is that apparently what

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they put in this bill, it's the no.

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Pace, the original one, the original one.

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I believe that it is a redone. I believe what happened.

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I think what happened is they actually maybe made some

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some amendments to it, because it looks like if you

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just go through and look at the bill, maybe they

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have had the bill in there, they scent it, and

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then once they received it, they maybe did a reading,

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they and they maybe made some amendments to it, because

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it says here that they went through. They had an amendment,

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and they did the first reading, the second reading, you know,

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and then they went through and so they must have

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made these changes during that amendment that they did beginning

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early in the bill. And the sad thing about this is,

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go ahead, deb are you better? Can you hear us? Now?

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Yeah, I'm gonna try and muse this computer real quick

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so we don't have.

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Doubleaccin.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, tell us tell us about what you

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found in this bill, because this this is horrible and

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we've got to get it fixed.

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Yes. Well, first of all, it says Section D, a

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hospital may establish visitation policies that limit or restrict visitation

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when one, the presence of visitors would be medically or

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therapeutically contraindicated in the best clinical judgment of healthcare professionals.

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That's pretty broad, if you answer me. Number two, the

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presence of visitors would interfere with the care of or

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rights of any patient. Again, that's pretty broad. Number three,

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visitors are engaging and disruptive, threatening or violent behavior towards

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any staff member, of patient, or other visitor. Or four

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visitors are non compliant with hospital policy. So you know

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that really, And then there's some section E and S,

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which aren't that bigger deal. It's section D where the

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hospital may establish visitation policies that limit overstrict visitation, and

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those restrictions are not you know, those are not acceptable.

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the rights specifically in this section may not be terminated, suspended,

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or waived by the hospital. But it sounds like they

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have that ability. They've made that, They've made that an

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ability in there.

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their ability to do that in section D. Yeah, exactly,

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wrote yeah, section G. So yeah, yeah, it cleaned that

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it's got to be cleaned up.

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Have you seen the bill, Steve, have you seen this?

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So the original bill that's Oklahoma put forth house built

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twenty six eighty seven in twenty twenty one was the

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only thing that I knew Oklahoma ever did, and so

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this new one that apparently has surpassed what they did

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in twenty twenty one. Debora, you were about to say something, yes.

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That that is the build I did in that is

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twenty six eighty seven stage.

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Okay, all right, well, then something changed between when I

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originally in Oklahoma first and when I originally thought, Okay,

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this is a good legislation, and then at some point

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things changed, and so yeah, I mean this is something

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that we've seen in other states as well, where where

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they make these kind of loopholes, like in Texas, Texas

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has a physician can overwrite a patient's right to visitation. Well,

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what we saw in Texas with our mutual friend Gail

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Siler was she was in the hospital and because she

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was unvaccinated, they wouldn't let her have any visitation because

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the doctor automatically assumed all of her family is going

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to be unvaccinated as well, and so we're just not

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going to let anyone in and which case, then her

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husband had actually ended up storming hospital, really barricading himself

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in her room, calling the cops, and the cops were like, yeah, no,

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she does have the right to leave.

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And just looking at this bill and

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I'm going through it here, it looked like they introduced

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the bill back in January of twenty January twenty first,

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twenty twenty one, and then they added amendments to it

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in February. They came back through a committee, a subcommittee,

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and they added more amendments to it. In April sixth

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of twenty twenty one, and then they finally adopted it.

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So somewhere in there in those two amendments they added

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that in where they could just negate the whole entire

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based on the hospital protocols or based on their own desire,

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that they can just negate it. And you know, this

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is something that we need to go back and we

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need to fix and we need to get it amended.

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And Steve, I want to just have you speak a

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little bit to what you think would be the best

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way for us to attack that situation. How do you

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think we should proceed.

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I think the best way to attack that situation is

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have as many stories like Deborah's as possible and then

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go to some state reps and some state senators specifically

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going to those original sponsors of the bill and saying, hey,

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you wrote this in this way and this is what happened,

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and see their reaction, see their reaction all my Like,

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in the case of the Texas legislation, the main sponsor

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of that was like, that's not why we wrote in

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there that a physician can overwrite. The physician can overwrite

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if a family member is emotionally unhealthy and causing undue

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stress on that patient. The doctor has the abits, should

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have the ability to say, yeah, no visitation. In your case,

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if the family member is causing problems within the hospitals

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and being cantankerous and abrasive and confrontational in those cases, yeah,

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we need to be able to stop that. But to

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overwrite because someone is unvaccinated their vaccination status is in

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my opinion, unconscionable. And so bringing those stories to those

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state senators, to those state representatives, seeing if they are

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open to it and if they're willing to take up

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this fight, because it's the only way that I have

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found this is able to get done is bringing those stories.

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I agree with you, Deb, I think that's a great

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idea if we could. I mean, and we do have

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many stories, even stories outside of Oklahoma where people were

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being denied or like in your case, Deb, where you

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were just simply asking to be with your husband and

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you were being threatened with police action. Why why because

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you wanted to be an advocate for your husband. That

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doesn't make any sense.

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You know, well they were and you know they weren't

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allowing anyone in the to go into the hospital, so

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you know, it was just an across the board day.

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No one was allowed to go into the hospital during

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that time. And again we had we had, we had

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what we thought was a good bill, a good law,

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but it wasn't. And I was going to try to

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get in touch with representation it passing back this morning.

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But as you know, my house is my house that

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hit bar tornado, and so I had disaster release people

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coming out today and they were trying to secure my

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roof because we're supposed to be getting writing evening. But

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we will do that. I think we should start with that,

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don't you make you start with all the authors of

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the bills.

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I'm ready, Yeah, I'm ready. Let's do it. And I

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want to kind of shift gears and kind of like

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highlight because you know, Dev I'm right behind you. We'll

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go down there and start walking up those steps and

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knocking on who's ever door, you know. I mean, you

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know we've done it before, you know where we you know,

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went to the Capitol every day. We will do it again, absolutely,

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but I want to kind of highlight the impact of

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the social isolation and loneliness. Steve, you touched on it.

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There is research that is published by the American Fight

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excuse me. The Association for Psychological Science that indicates that

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loneliness increased the risk of premature death by twenty nine percent.

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And there's other information out there, but deb in your

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testimony to CHBMP dot org, you spoke of being desperate

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to see your husband and that in his medical records

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you found documentation that your husband did not want to

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stay in the hospital without you. And I wonder if

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you could speak to us and give us a little

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bit of insight from your perspective on that and the

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impact of the social isolation and loneliness, as we have

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people who are texting us saying, well, you know, wouldn't

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they be able to just leave the hospital in that case?

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Tell us a little bit about that, dip.

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Yes, Jimmy did not want to stay without me. Neither

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one others had ever been apital without the other one

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00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:05.359
staying with them, And so I had told the nurse

473
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:08.720
to give him his telephone and I had had them

474
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:12.359
having face timing. So we spoke for a few minutes

475
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:15.720
on face time, and I said, Jimmy, just hold on,

476
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:17.400
I'm going to get you out of that hospital and

477
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:21.400
taking to another one because we were mistaken about me

478
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:24.559
being able to go into that hospital, and I found

479
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:28.519
another hospital that I would have been able to go

480
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:33.680
in with him. So about that time, he said, Debbie,

481
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:36.839
somebody a doctor's coming in the room, so I'll let

482
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:38.640
you go. And of course I'm saying no, no, no,

483
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:41.920
don't hang out, but he did so. In the medical records,

484
00:32:41.960 --> 00:32:45.440
when I finally got them, I found out that there's

485
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:49.359
three to four different stories. One of them said that

486
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:53.000
Jimmy wanted to leave and the hospital told him that

487
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:56.559
if he left, he would die, and he said he

488
00:32:57.039 --> 00:32:59.240
wanted to take his chances because he didn't want to

489
00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:01.960
be in there because he knew they were killing. So

490
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:04.559
I think, you know, first of all, he was unvaccinated

491
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:06.759
and he didn't want to be there. So I feel

492
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:12.359
like they had a very bad attitude towards him, and

493
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:18.119
so they uh the one. There's three to four different versions,

494
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:21.720
but one of the versions, he unplugged all of his

495
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:25.839
of the IV, he took the IV out, he unplugged

496
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:28.519
the leaves on the heart monitor, and he took off

497
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:31.640
the oxygen. And I don't know if he was walking

498
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:34.440
or if he was in a wheelchair, but he was

499
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:37.440
in room thirteen and the r by the time he

500
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:39.960
got in front of room six, he collapsed and went

501
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:43.839
into cardiac arrests Now, every one of the stories say

502
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:47.279
that very extinct thing that once he got that he

503
00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:49.400
was in room thirteen, and once he got in front

504
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:52.599
of room six, he collapsed and went into cardiac arress.

505
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:56.559
But the other stories say that the day unplugged in,

506
00:33:56.920 --> 00:34:01.920
he doesn't say that they putting in a wheelchair. However,

507
00:34:02.119 --> 00:34:05.279
I mean, you would think they would have, and you

508
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:09.239
would think with him coming in with fifty six, his

509
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:12.079
oxygen level of fifty six, that they would not have

510
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:15.800
left him leave without oxygen on him. He came in

511
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:20.159
with oxygen because he came in on ambulance. However, they

512
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:25.079
knew my son is a medic, so we know that

513
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:28.920
they knew that he would collapse. Now did they know

514
00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:31.639
that he would go into cardiac arrest. We don't know

515
00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:34.400
that for sure, but we know that they knew he

516
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:36.079
would not be able to make it out of there

517
00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:40.280
with a fifty six oxygen level. So he collapsed, went

518
00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:43.480
into cardiac arrest. They took him back to the room

519
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:46.719
and they did TPR on him, and then they mentally

520
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:50.000
put him on the event, took him up to covid ice.

521
00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:52.960
You put him on a vent and from then on

522
00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:56.559
he was gone. I mean I was not allowed in

523
00:34:56.679 --> 00:35:02.000
for six days. We had two Oklahoma state senators who

524
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:05.599
were calling, trying to get me into the hospital. And

525
00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:09.159
finally on the sixth day, I was able to get in.

526
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:12.360
And by that time, you know, it was he was

527
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:16.079
too he was gone too far. He already had kidney

528
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:20.159
damage that they were going to put himya dialysis. The

529
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:27.239
next day he was slowing day of putty managers, diabet us,

530
00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:33.719
he was necrotics. He just I mean he looked cheerful.

531
00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:38.239
I mean, he never and also in the records, uh,

532
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:40.880
it says that they tied him down, so they were

533
00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:44.960
restrained him. So even even though he was on a ventilator,

534
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:49.239
he was you know, he must have not been so

535
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:53.960
joked up that he couldn't, you know, try to move around.

536
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:59.599
So they gave him more medicine, more drugs to to

537
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:04.199
day him, and then paralytics too, so he was totally

538
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:06.840
out of it, and that they did time down.

539
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:13.960
So I've held the hospital fully responsible.

540
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:19.639
Yeah, I do too. You know, you don't let people

541
00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:23.960
walk out of a hospital with a saturation an oxygen

542
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:28.960
saturation of fifty six percent when they came in with oxygen.

543
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:32.960
And I can I can tell you right now that

544
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:37.960
when people wanted to leave the hospital, we would ensure

545
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:41.360
that there was somebody there who was with them to

546
00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:46.039
take them out of the hospital. We didn't just you know,

547
00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:49.519
unless they were you know, really to the point where

548
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:51.360
I mean, we did have people who got upset and

549
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:53.599
they just walked out of the hospital, you know, and

550
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:57.199
that's you know, that was their right. But you don't

551
00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:00.360
allow that to happen. When you've got a white who's

552
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:04.159
sitting out in the parking lot waiting to speak to

553
00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:07.280
their husband, you would have thought that they would have

554
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:10.159
least had the common sense in the decency to call

555
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:13.400
you and say, hey, this is going on. Can you

556
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:17.039
help us either calm him down, to give him that

557
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:21.239
reassurance and let you in the hospital. There's a novel

558
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:25.079
thought to be with your husband so that you could

559
00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:31.360
work through this situation and provide him the most appropriate care. Steve,

560
00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:35.360
You've done a lot of research on this topic. What

561
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:36.920
are your thoughts on this?

562
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:43.480
I think that the I think going to the hospital,

563
00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:46.840
I mean going to our state senates and our state

564
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:51.920
houses with armed with stories and armed with statistics and

565
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:55.039
at our website Never Alarmed project dot org. If you

566
00:37:55.039 --> 00:38:01.159
go to neverlompandemic dot org slash legislation, they're at that link.

567
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:03.239
You will see a whole bunch of studies as well

568
00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:07.360
as links to other states that have legislation and taking

569
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:10.920
the other states that have really good legislation, like Missouri,

570
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:14.960
like Arkansas, and saying this needs to be the plit

571
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:20.559
that we go with. I think is a great starting

572
00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:23.960
point because it's armed with studies and armed with stories

573
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:29.360
that we can get things done right now this year,

574
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:33.119
this next twelve months. The Neverland Project we're looking to

575
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:36.800
really try and expand in three states in particular. We're

576
00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:40.639
kind of targeting a fourth maybe and it may be

577
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:44.880
Oklahoma to try and get this stuff fixed. But we're

578
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:47.760
targeting California because we need another blue state on board

579
00:38:48.760 --> 00:38:51.360
because it got so close in California. Let's try and

580
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:53.400
figure out what we can do to get this across

581
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:55.599
the finish line because Colorado right now, like I said,

582
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:57.960
is the only blue state in the nation that has

583
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:01.960
no patient left alone legislation. Even though there are some loopholes,

584
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:05.599
we found that it to be very effective to get

585
00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:09.760
people in with their loved ones. So the end the

586
00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:13.199
loopholes really are the hospital doesn't have to provide PPE,

587
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:16.760
all right. My question for the governor though, when the

588
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:20.440
signing was what happens when the hospital requires a level

589
00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:26.960
of PPE that we can't get as as a citizen. Fortunately,

590
00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:30.239
we don't have any loophole for a doctor to overwrite.

591
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:32.880
That was one that we were pretty adamant about because

592
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:35.840
we didn't want to have what happened in Texas and

593
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:39.840
now up Oklahoma as well to happen in Colorado. But

594
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:44.559
in California, Wisconsin. Wisconsin's where I grew up, my mom

595
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:47.960
is there. Right now, we need a purple state, another

596
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:51.039
purple state on board with this kind of legislation because

597
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:54.840
right now there's only two states, two purple states. I

598
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:58.079
get three, three purple states that have no patient left

599
00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:04.800
alone legislation North Carolina, Kentucky, and New Hampshire and then

600
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:09.960
and then Mississippi. Mississippi is a state that twice has

601
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:12.800
introduced no patient left alone legislation. It's a red state,

602
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:16.880
but it's been killed once it moved out of I

603
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:20.960
believe it was the Senate. And so yeah, we've targeted

604
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:23.199
those three because I have connections in all three of

605
00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:29.719
those states, and so excuse me, where we're looking to

606
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:32.840
get it done there and going in armed with stories

607
00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:36.760
and studies and other legislation is a great starting point

608
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:40.880
and finding those state senators and those state representatives that

609
00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:45.360
are willing to champion this, because that's what it takes.

610
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:48.800
It takes a champion to get this across the finish line.

611
00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:53.480
Because the Hospital Association, the doctors Association, the nurses Association,

612
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:59.039
they come out hard against this legislation, and I get it,

613
00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:02.000
I get it, trying to protect their their hospitals are

614
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:04.880
trying to protect. The hospital Association is looking up for

615
00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:09.599
the hospital's interests because they're concerned about staffing issues. Okay,

616
00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:13.480
so come in with the studies that show COVID didn't

617
00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:17.639
spread amongst patients like they thought it did when visitation

618
00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:22.960
was allowed. And the doctor's Association they're scared of you know,

619
00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:29.760
what happens if when the next virus comes out. Okay,

620
00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:35.199
I get it, but we can't. We can't put the

621
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:39.440
lives of doctors and nurses ahead of the individual. We

622
00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:43.039
have to balance that need to protect those doctors, nurses

623
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.920
and another staff while giving the individual what they need

624
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:51.239
because if we lose, if we lose that that that balance,

625
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:54.239
we lose our humanity.

626
00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:56.280
Yeah, we did it, we do.

627
00:41:56.760 --> 00:42:01.000
And we are ultimately nothing more than what we've seen

628
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:03.679
in other countries. I'm not going to name them that

629
00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:09.079
have gone and done terrible things, Yes, throughout human history.

630
00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:16.880
And I just heard that Michigan actually flipped their their

631
00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:20.920
I think it was their Senate. It may be their house,

632
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:23.639
or it may be their their whole entire congress there,

633
00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:26.559
but it flipped Republicans. So that may be a good

634
00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:31.639
in Michigan. CHBMP. I know you guys are fighters out there,

635
00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:35.760
so if you don't have a never a patient, never

636
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:40.400
left alone project or legislation, that might be a good

637
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:43.840
in there. Since they flipped to Republican. I think it

638
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:46.679
was their whole Congress, but you know, that might be

639
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:49.159
a good in I know they're really big fighters out

640
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:52.480
there in Michigan. You guys go, We just have a

641
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:56.880
couple moments left you guys, and Steve, I kind of

642
00:42:56.880 --> 00:43:00.280
want to throw this to you and Debye, I want

643
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:02.760
to have you give just a few moments to this

644
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:06.440
as well. You know, I want to talk just a

645
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:10.400
little bit about you know, we have wonderful. We really

646
00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:13.639
do have good healthcare providers and nurses. Some of them

647
00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:18.280
are my dear friends. I used to have a statement

648
00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:22.360
whenever I worked it was, well, my pledge to myself

649
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:27.679
that a patient would never die alone. And I don't

650
00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:31.880
know but the AMA, the ANA, and the hospital administration,

651
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:35.159
we know that they went all in to strip away

652
00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:39.079
the patient rights for visitor access. Steve, if you would

653
00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:42.559
speak just a little bit about how we change that

654
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:47.960
culture and advanced the message in the general community of

655
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:50.920
the need for family involvement and the need for a

656
00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:52.920
never left alone legislation.

657
00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:59.199
Getting nurses and doctors on board with testifying was the

658
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:03.079
biggest key in US in Colorado getting it across the

659
00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:08.039
finish line. So yeah, But well, when it comes to

660
00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:13.599
the American Nursing Association and the doctors associations and the

661
00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:16.239
Hospital Association, what it's going to take. It's going to

662
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:21.039
take a long term thing where we have those nurses

663
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:25.039
and doctors and administrators that care about this thing getting

664
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:28.039
involved and starting to work their way up the leadership.

665
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:32.840
Because let's be honest, these organizations, the people that end

666
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:35.400
up going to work there and end up wanting to

667
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:38.800
work there, they often are on the other side of

668
00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:44.840
the political spectrum from the conservatives, and so it's going

669
00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:47.559
to take people wanting to be a part of that

670
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:51.360
and starting to see some real grassroots change and getting

671
00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:55.960
involved at that level. Right now. In the short term,

672
00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:59.079
what we need is we need doctors and nurses coming

673
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:02.639
up publicly. And often we have a problem because when

674
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:07.599
they do testify publicly, if they're in a hospital environment,

675
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:13.400
if they're in a big medical facility environment, often that

676
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:21.639
speaking out freely comes with political consequence, it comes with

677
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:26.400
employment consequences. Because I saw one of the doctors that

678
00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:32.440
testified here in Colorado. What they did is they had

679
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:36.320
they had their hours cut and they had their patients

680
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:41.559
cut by the hospital for daring to testify publicly. It's

681
00:45:41.559 --> 00:45:46.960
a shame. It's absolutely immoral. It's wrong. Doctors and nurses

682
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:50.480
should have that ability to testify on behalf of patients

683
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:53.199
and on behalf of what they saw, because Mick, you

684
00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:55.559
and I both know nurses that have left the hospital

685
00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:58.880
environment because they suffer from so much trauma from holding

686
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:02.360
up a freaking while someone was dying, knowing that the

687
00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:03.440
family should have been there.

688
00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:08.000
Yeah. No, you are one hundred percent. And I've got

689
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:10.320
to give you a clap on that, because we need

690
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:14.639
to have that uniting nurses, physicians. We need to unite

691
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:18.280
deb We only have one minute left. I want to

692
00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:21.199
give you just one minute to just speak to how

693
00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:23.880
we change that culture from your perspective.

694
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:31.440
Oh, I think stage hit it, you know, the nail

695
00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:33.840
on the head. I mean, we've got to get doctors

696
00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:38.440
and nurses on board, you know, and I'm my own

697
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:43.920
doctors didn't speak up because you know, he would have

698
00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:47.400
not been able to have had hospital privilege privileges. So

699
00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:50.679
you know that needs to that needs to stop. You know,

700
00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:57.079
we need to with the people need to be in

701
00:46:57.159 --> 00:47:00.679
charge instead of in should have the AM and the

702
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:05.199
hospital associations or whatever. So and we definitely, I mean,

703
00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:08.599
we had legislation and we have to be careful because

704
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:11.880
of what happened to the legislation here in Oklahoma. We

705
00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:14.760
have to be careful. And even you even said something

706
00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:19.480
Steve about about the patients loved ones being unruly in

707
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:22.679
the hospital and the hospital could make them lead because

708
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:27.480
of that, Well, who's definition? What is the definition of unruly?

709
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:30.239
If you're trying to get healthcare for your loved one

710
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:33.440
and you might be a little bit stern with the

711
00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:37.440
doctor or the nurse. I mean, can they consider that unruly?

712
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:43.639
I think you probably yeah, And we need to have

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conversations about that. I need to have you both on

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so that we can continue this conversation because those are

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good points. And really we need to start having these conversations,

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no matter how painful it is, because we have I

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have great ideas. We need to bring it to the forefront. Stephen,

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deb I really want to thank you so much for

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being with me today. It was an honor to have

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you both with us. It was an honor to be

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with you all today. I will see you all next week.

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I want you to remember that resistance is not feutile

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and blessings to you all.

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Understand up, speak out, get involved, and let's be intentional.

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