Nov. 6, 2024

The Infiltration by China

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If per the FBI "The counterintelligence and economic espionage efforts emanating from the government of China and the Chinese Communist Party are a grave threat to the economic well-being and democratic values of the United States” and Confronting this threat is the FBI's top counterintelligence priority, How Deeply Has Communist China Infiltrated America's Institutions?

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and let's be intentional. You know, I can remember all

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the way back to twenty eleven. It's amazing because I

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haven't had that much coffee today. But Peter Navarro wrote

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a book called Death by China, Confronting the Dragon, a

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Global Call to Action, and it described the threats to

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America's economic dominance in the twenty first century that are

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posed by the Chinese Communist Party. So fast forward a

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couple years to today, and we are starting to see

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headlines such as CCP aligned, Confucius Institute continuing to indoctrinate

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Oklahoma students. The state superintendent warns Communist China Party spying

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is expanded rapidly across the twenty across the United States

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under the Biden and Harris administration. Threats to US critical

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infrastructure from China on the rise. So where is our

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country headed? Well, today we're going to lean in with

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our special guest, Jason Hoe. He is the founder and

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CEO of Techlium, Incorporated. It is a company that focuses

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on advancement in areas such as semiconductor technology, artificial intelligence,

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aerospace and energy. Jason created a series of breakthrough technologies

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with more than four hundred international patents over thirty years,

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and he was also the lead designer of computer chips

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for an F thirty five fighter plane flight control and

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image display systems, and those designs were stolen by China

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through a sophisticated hacking, an espionage which he describes in

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his book that's called the Big Plot. So everybody please

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welcome with me Jason and Ho. Hello, Jason, how are you?

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Hello? Nice to have me here. Thank you everyone, and

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I hope everyone have a good election date.

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Yes, me too. Yeah, we are voted up and we

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are ready and now we're getting ready to take a

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look at the polls. Every five minutes, I'm scrolling on

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my phone. But I'm so glad that you joined us today.

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I live in the Heartland, Oklahoma, and you know, Jason

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We have seen quite a bit over the last five

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to ten years with the CCP coming in and buying

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up our agricultural land. I believe in our state it's

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something like five percent that they have bought and that

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was like reported back in twenty twenty three. And then

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we have one of the largest Chinese black market marijuana

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trading across the nation. We made national news when the

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Chinese organized crime gangsters had a shootout in a rural

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community of Kingfisher here in Oklahoma and it ended up

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in like this quadruple murder execution style, which really shocked

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all of us. And then our Superintendent of Instruction has

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been warning and really pushing back trying to eliminate the

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Confucius Institute in one of our largest school districts. But

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we see the CCP as everywhere, Jason. I mean, they're

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influencing politicians, or they're setting up police stations in New York.

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And I would just like to ask you, Jason, how

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vast is the infiltration of the CCP in our country.

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I think you can find every corner of our society

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and it's hard to get rid of them.

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I think that is the biggest

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concern that a lot of Americans have. And I know

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I started seeing this around twenty fifteen when they were

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starting to buy the land in Oklahoma and we started

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hearing about companies that they also had control of. Maybe

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they weren't in the United States, but they were United

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States companies that were in China, and I guess that

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allowed them to have control. But I mean, that is horrendous.

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How do you think we got to that point where

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we're just not watching? Were we sleeping at the wheel?

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It has to look back at history because China is

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quite different than America. America usually and no matter what

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have happened, always confront and straightforward to people. American always

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leave us messages very clearly, also show intention, very very profoundly.

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But China is different and China and I don't know

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how to say. And since I was poing Taiwan, and

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I also kind of of Chinese, but I've been suffered

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enough of the Chinese culture for China, and they don't

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like to fight people in the battlefield. They like to

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win with their with with their chicks. And that's the

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part I don't like the current Chinese culture. And also

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I don't like that part coming from the Chinese influence

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of Chinese history.

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Oh yeah, absolutely. You know I had mentioned earlier that

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you were a lead designer of computer chips for an

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F thirty five fighter plane. It was this flight control

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and image display system, and your designs were stolen by

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China through hacking an espionage. Tell us a little bit

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about that, Jason, How did that happen?

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That's very painful process because F thirty five meant so

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much to China. They must counterfeit AT thirty five technology

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that showed their power and the strength. But the way

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they do it is never imagined. And for myself, when

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I was young, was born in Taiwan. I believe everyone's

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saying Taiwan's fighting against China, but my technology was stolen

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to be companies in Taiwan. They allude me back to

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Taiwan set the company, invite Taiwan, the defense institute, the

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chief invited me, telling me the good stories. We have

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to work hard to protect Taiwan, fight against China. But

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everything only a Now I realize it's a setup. The

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purpose to frame me, purpose to get my technology through

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the very complicated structure and the licensed technology out and

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utilize my and the network in the US to get

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everything out. It's very painful. And also it's not ended yet.

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Oh so it's still ongoing. Like is there a I

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don't know if you can talk about it, but is

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there like asuit going on or yes?

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Because and the difference between the Commons party and the

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people around the world. People around the world, we have

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a life to live. We have to live for our lives.

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We have a purpose of a life. But in China's

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different they focus just to fulfear the endlest ged. So

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in my case and after the successfully stealing the technology,

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the next step is to destroy me. Terrible to destroy

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me use government power. They use Taiwanese government. They sent

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me to the Taiwanese criminal court, claim I'm a criminal

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because I never did F thirty by design. Then they

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use FBI to complain I'm trying to spy and that

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doesn't work. Now they have a wonderful and the final

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to the IRS. I've been audited by the IRS, reported

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by the people stealing the certified acknowledge. The people associate

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directly connect to the China most advanced Military Research Institute

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US Crystal Bloors with the three big law firms against

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me that has been going on. You can I imagine

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already twelve years not any the year still ongoing.

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Wow, And is that they saw you were doing the patents?

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You think they were like they were using their spy

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technology and they saw you were doing these patents and

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that's why they targeted you.

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I think that initially they wanted technology, and they tried

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to influence me on the second stage and try to

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allure me to work with compans China, try to allure

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me with good life to becoming billionaires. Told me become

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Bill Gates, become Zackenberg. I can be easily use my

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technology becoming very influential people in America. I denied. Then

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consequences come and because I denied, so they have to

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put me in jail, and they have used government power

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because they have sufficient influence around the world. And that's

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beyond everyone's imagination, because the RS becoming a loophole and

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they can use aras to do whatever, to achieve whatever

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they want.

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Wow, that is amazing and that is scary. I mean

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just just to think you know that they have that much,

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that much ability and that much control and then their

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desires are nefarious. Just to kind of ruin your life

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just so that they can get their hands on your technology.

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But apparently lawmakers are urging the Commerce Department to find

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ways to protect US photonic chips. Now forgive me, because

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this is a little bit beyond me. I'm not very

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familiar with them, but apparently they're trying to protect that

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technology from Chinese threats. And that was an article that

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the Epoch Times did. And then there's a letter that

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was being written by the House Select Committee on the

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Chinese Communist Party and they indicated that this technology has

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the potential to really up and the semiconductor industry and

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kind of redefine the battle lines. So why is that

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such an important issue of concern? What do you think

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that means for the United States? And why is it

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so important to the CCP?

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And I was working on the carbon semiconductor, and carbon

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semiconductor is very different to silicon one, and I was

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working on that for thirty five projects since nineteen nineties.

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I was the very early one on the carbon So

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corbon sem conductor as a photonic chip. You mentioned and

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carbon chip. Sometimes we can say this is a photonic

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chip because the way it operates more like light waves

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rather than elect chic and the currents. And for cobbon

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semiconductor we have an advantage. We have ten times faster,

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only ten times power consumption and also the cost is

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only about one to five percent and the most importantly,

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one carbon chip can run at least one hundred years.

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So in nineteen nineties we define a very different and

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cheap model we call the reusable chip or cheap sub

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subscription business. It means when you buy a chip, just

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like a buy a house, how you decorate inside, that's

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your choice. So buy a chip, what kind of large

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you want to put inside? You can buy from those

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talented and circuit designers like Intail, like many companies in

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the US, and you can upgrade it, modify your cheap

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functions and on your lifetime. So what does that mean?

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It means if China has no control what's happened without carbon?

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You look at the silicon sam content. Now everything expensive,

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We need to buy new device every three to five years.

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They can upgrade their Espiona just by and we're inside

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and they can control our economy, they can control our industry.

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So carbon posts a great threat for China to control

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the worldwide industry. Especially for China. They believe semiconductor and

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communication are two pillars to support modern societies. So semiconductor

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means telecommunication, telecommunication means communication, it means everything. So that's

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why the carbon technology I've been targeted in early days

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by Chinese spies, by those operations.

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That makes a whole lot of sense. They are really

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about communication. I mean they do it through you know,

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their their social credit scoring, you know where they're where.

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They're just tracking and tracing and and doing a lot

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of surveillance. So is that all tied in together.

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Then, Because the carbon semiconductor, the technology I've been working on,

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we have been invented altogether with the top scientists in America.

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And the purpose serve people. The purpose not for control,

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the purpose not for surveillance. Once we have carbon ship,

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people can easily and change upgraded design. So if you

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have a spywheal you have and the computer ship doing

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the bad things taking your privacy away, taking your data away,

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you can immediately upgrade one better one. That's not China wants.

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They want silicon semiconductor expensive to make difficult to change,

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so they can control, they can surveyor everyone forever. So

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that's why I've been targeted. That's why they must use

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all the power. Make sure I'm not only one. I'm

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not the only victim. Whoever work on this technology. We've

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been heavily attacked by China. This is not just ten years.

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This started in nineteen ninety eight, almost twenty five, thirty

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years ago.

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Yeah, yeah, I knew it had been going on for

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a while. We've been hearing it being talked about how

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that China wants to control and has been stealing a

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lot of that intellectual property. And Taiwan appears to be

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extremely critical, especially for the global chip production. Apparently the

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Taiwan I think it's called the Semiconductor Manufacturing Company, they

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produce like I guess, about ninety percent of the world's

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most advanced computer chips, and their company holds like sixty

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eight percent of that market. And then they also produce

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like sixty percent of the world's semi conductors. So we

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see also now that China has built these one hundred

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and ten nuclear missile silos in their western desert. Experts

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are calling it the most extensive construction efforts since the

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Cold War. They can fire all these intercontinental ballistic missiles,

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and then we see China's encircling Taiwan holding these military drills,

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So what is your insight? Do you think that's what

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they're going after. They're going after the chips, They're going

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after the semiconductors. They obviously want to take Taiwans as

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their own.

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Maybe I probably, I will surprised everyone China, doesn't. You

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take Taiwan and old Taiwan elise, they are fround China.

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They are same family with Chinese communist leaders or powereople

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in power, and they are They're same families, They're the

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same system. I'm not talking about the Taiwanese people. I'm

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talking about those in charge in control of Taiwan, especially

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in the semiconductor in the IT industry. Back to early

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year two thousands, I reported the FBI. I talked about

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the Huawei is a spy company and while we work

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with the taiwan same conductor to steal our technology. You

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know the answer I got from FBI. It told me,

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while is a very good company, very reputable, while we

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only interested about the Chinese domestic communications market, they have

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no interest on the outside world. I'm hallucinating, I'm drinking.

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I'm just breaking about my design, how wonderful it is. Unfortunately.

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Back to twenty twelve, I have another conversation with the

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BI another spinach case happened. I got a answer. They

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told me always very reputable company and they're doing much

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better than others because they have a good technology. Not

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in ten now almost twenty five year past. Now people

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realize now it's the household need. Everyone means espionage. For me,

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I'm the first one. I'm the one, the one and

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the first one in the phone line. Confounded with people

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fighting with people. So I always trying to explain to

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people and don't look Taiwan and China relationship and the

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situation so easily because Chinese they never fight people in

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the battlefield. That's what I want to say. The difference

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between Chinese and the American and the westerners. China always

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play both sides. They play your friend, they play your enemy.

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Can they can strench a part of people be a

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very good friend and fighting the main body as your enemy.

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But always the friend part the friends side is the

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is the person or the group going to destroy destroy you?

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So and I'm not meaning about the Taiwanese people is

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part of China or supporting China communists. I'm talking about

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those taman elists have to be very careful. Just like

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in our home country. We have so many people serving

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the Chinese Commanist Party the same thing, or elist or politicians.

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I can make the names probably when more ours needed

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to name those names. The same thing. Those Taiwanese elite

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is inbeded with Chinese Commis Party.

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So what what could be done or what should be done,

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or what do you think will be done? Do you

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think they're they're just going to partner up or since

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they're the least in then.

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The difficult part is I would say the word education.

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Maybe it's not the right word, It's maybe not the

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right world for me to say, But I think think

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information extremely important. That's why I wrote the book. Because

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people doesn't understand China is a paper tiger. Oh it's

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overestimate the Chinese. They think China is so wonderful, so great.

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Just look at Hasbala China and the Peera, the People's

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Liberaty Army. They are so proud of Hasbala, the trend.

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Then they built, they say, the most sophisticated tunnel for

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them in the north part of Israel. They are part

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of it. We see they're being destroyed easily. So China

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is paper tiger. But unfortunately, because the influence, because and

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everyone's agenda. Even I went to Congress so many times.

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I explained my situation, my information, and try so so

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much as my for effort, but still it's difficult to

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convey the message.

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You mentioned you wrote the book The Big Plot. Tell

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us a little bit about that. How does that all

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connect in?

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And I when I was young, I was naive back

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to nineteen nineties, and China and the US have a

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wonderful relationship and helped buy the elite from Washington, DC.

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And so I've been persuaded by the people from an

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American and to be a consultant to the Chinese Academy

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of Science. And because I was working on the FTD

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five project, that advised me if I can tell the Chinese,

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especially the Pera people, the generals and the US technology

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and Chinese technology have a huge gap, maybe China won't

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be an enemy, won't be the sound threat to American

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And five or ten years later, so I becoming a

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consultant to Chinese Academy of Science for five years since

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nineteen ninety eight two thousand and two. And my basic

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message is to China and China and the US has

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much better technology. Don't be an adversary or to be

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enemy to the US. So I learned a lot for China.

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And during the time, a group of communist leaders came

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to me talk about inside stories about the two things,

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how China get power and the how and separate inside

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comes party because for us we think comes Party is

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one unity. Actually inside has a lot of conflicts. That's

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one thing. The other day told me the story how

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China back to nineteen seventy eight try to control the world,

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try to manipulate the world. So through those information, I

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put those both into the book that's the first book

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of the Big Past series, and talk about what happened

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and the things Chinese come the Party took power in

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China until year two thousand. Wow.

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Wow. And that's all laid out in your book. And

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people can get that on Amazon? Where can they?

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Because I have a lot of obstacles to publish that book,

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a lot of threats, and I move all the production

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away from and it's genesical production. But to make this

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book working, because I'm just the person to write a book,

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I can I'm no experience to publish the book so

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I move all the help away from America because they

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try to stop it, and the soap books should be

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ready with think one or two weeks in Amazon.

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Let me ask you this, why do you think they

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try to stop it? They don't they feel threatened by it.

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And because my book first and recommended by people from

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the intelligence community, and which is very well and for

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other books about China, and also and the people my

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book have a much understanding how China try to control

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the work, how does God it and the mentality behind

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and also talk about a non coup happening in China.

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Not every Commanist party members want to see in China

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to manage the work.

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MM gotcha. You know James Comer, he is the chair

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of the House Oversight Committee, and he stated that even

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though China you know, manipulates currency and they steal our

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intellectual property and they and they use slave labor, we

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still have these open trades with them. I know. In

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twenty eighteen, the US Trade Representatives their office, they reported

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that the CCP steals about six hundred billion and intellectual

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property per year. And in July of this year, Representative

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Kim Young she introduced a bill It's called the protective

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I'm sorry, no, the Protecting American Innovation and Development Act,

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and it's meant to expose like foreign adversaries like they're

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illegally accessing Americans, you know, intellectual property and and protect

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US businesses, you know, giving giving them like competitiveness and

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our national security. But is there a way to really

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stop the CCP from stealing intellectual property? Do you think

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Zach would do it?

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I always try to explain in the every meeting, and

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when I have a chance to go to Congress to

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meet the congressmen and the congresswoman, I always tried to

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explain to them. And when they talk about and actual

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intellectual property is stealing, that's afterward. The most horrible part

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is China stop the development the innovation inside America. Because

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the theft usually is coming from the big companies, and

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they have sufficient attorneys, they have a sufficient power, they

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won't suffer that much. Also, and some companies enjoy the

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scept because they can get a new budget, like defense companies.

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If something is not stolen, they can get a new

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budget fund d od they get a new budget fund government,

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so it's nothing to lose. Become ecosystem, they are not

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much care about those intellectual property theft, But the most

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suffering is the middle sized moll sized company like us,

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we are in developed development. The China come to destroy

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