Feb. 7, 2025

Worst Air Disaster in America Since 2009

Worst Air Disaster in America Since 2009

Colonel William "Burner" Dunn lays out a no-nonsense and informative perspective on last week's tragedy and how this could have occurred in one of the world's most heavily-monitored air corridors.

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Season 1

Colonel William "Burner" Dunn lays out a no-nonsense and informative perspective on last week's tragedy and how this could have occurred in one of the world's most heavily-monitored air corridors.

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us to stand up, speak out, get involved, and let's

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be intentional about it. Okay, today we are going to

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be doubling your pleasure because we have two guests with

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very important topics to talk about. The second half of

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the show is pre recorded, and I talked with Leah Wilson.

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She is the executive director and co founder for Stand

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for Health Freedom, and we were discussing parental rights and

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the expansion of school based healthcare centers, including mental health services.

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We're going to be talking more about that in the future,

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but today, first of all, we are going to be

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discussing what happened on January twenty ninth, when we witnessed

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a heartbreaking tragedy as an Army UH sixty Blackhawk helicopter

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on a nighttime training mission collided in mid air with

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a landing American Airline plane Flight fifty three point forty two.

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All sixty seven precious souls that were passengers, crew, and

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soldier perished. Now there's still an ongoing investigation, but by

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a report done by the Conservative Brief on February fourth,

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there was a revealing that there was a black box discrepancy.

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They reported that the jets flight recorder revealed it was

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flying at approximately three hundred and twenty five feet, while

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data from the control tower indicated that the helicopter was

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at two hundred feet. So that's like one hundred and

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twenty five foot discrepancy there, and that is now being

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closely examined by the National Transportation Safety Board. The investigators

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are really asking where these errors are in the reported altitudes.

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You know, did it come from that there was an

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error or you know, was it that the helicopter exceeded

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its maximum allowed altitude of two hundred feet for its

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flight path? Well, I'm not really sure, but there are

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other reports like the Western Journal that have reported that

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the helicopter pilot was at least half a mile off

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of its approved course. There's also a confirmation of air

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traffic controller shortages. Supposedly there was instead of two. But

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there are also questions about competency that are being brought up.

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DEI policies perhaps that played into this. Were they wearing

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night vision goggles that could have impacted their visibility? Did

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the black Hawk pilot may be mistake another plane in

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the traffic as one to avoid I mean it just

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a lot of questions about what really happened that night

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so or early that morning. Today, we are really honored

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to have a Marine Corps Colonel William Bernard done with

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us and he's going to offer us a no nonsense,

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informed perspective on how this tragedy could have occurred. Colonel

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Dunn is a military attack helicopter pilot who has flown

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in and around Washington, DC. He is also president of

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Strategic Resilient Group LLC, and he is the author of

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the book Gunfighters Rule. So let's welcome, let's gear up

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or Colonel Dunn, Hello, sir, thank you for coming on

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with us today. How are you well.

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I'm doing outstanding. Thank you so much for having me.

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Well, it is an honor to have you, and thank

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you so much for your service. We are very grateful. Colonel.

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I know that you have been a combat pilot, You've

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flown dozens of missions in some of the world's most

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volatile war zones, and I'd really love it if you

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could give us a brief but maybe maybe a broad

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overview of the assessment of this situation and maybe what

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you might anticipate that the investigation could reveal.

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Well, well, thank you, and first of all, it is

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a tragic event, when you know, I lived just about

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twenty five miles south.

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Of Reagan, and on the particular night, it was a

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beautiful night.

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It was cold, but it was very clear, and I

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did not hear about the accident until the next morning

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while they were doing a you know, a search and

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rescue mission. And my wife and I my wife has

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been you know, with me forever and very familiar with

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military and mishaps, and we were both unfortunately, very certain

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there would not be your survivors, and that turned out

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to be the case. This type of mishap is often

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catastrophic for everybody involved because you're dealing with speed move

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maneuvering aircraft and then the out dude.

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And unfortunately, just unless you're ejecting from an aircraft like

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a fighter jet, most everybody's going to perish in this

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kind of scenario, and unfortunately that was the case. Was

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it was tragic, Yes, And what.

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I see is there's three aspects to this mishap and

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they're going to have to continue this investigation until they

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get to the bottom of all three. The first aspect

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is the American Airlines flight. They were on landing. They

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had switched from one runway to runaway three three, which

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is not an unusual event.

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It's just a.

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Change to what you know, is maybe a normal thought

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process as everybody involved. So they had to kind of

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shift a little bit of the right and come up

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wrongway three to three, and that's due to the wind.

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Any pilot that there's a qualified pilot should be able

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to make that adjustment on the fly with no issue,

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and in this case, it looks like the American Airlines

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pilot didn't just that they made that adjustment. They are

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on what look like to be a perfect profile coming

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in for you know, most likely a very safe and

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standard landing. Aspect Number two is the black Hawk. The

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black Hawk had a relatively experienced crew. And I know

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there's been a lot of questions between one thousand hours

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and five hundred hours, but a typical crew that's going

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to fly in the military is going to fly between

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twenty and thirty hours a month, and then you pull

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that out to about four.

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Hundred and fifty five hundred hours. That gives you a

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couple of years.

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Experience for the copilot, and then over a thousand hours

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is what I've heard for the pilot, the instructor pilot.

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So that's a good amount. That's several years of experience.

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He was a Warrant Officer three, so he's got quite

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a bit of time in the army, and he and

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she together should have been able to safely operate their airplane.

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You know, we call airplanes and helicopters kind of airplanes.

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But they should have been able to operate that black

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Hawk safely that night, and they had what seems to

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be a very experienced crew. Chief in the back. But

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that's aspect number two. And what everything that I have

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seen is brought out two points. One they were too hot,

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and two it appears, and the investigation will validate this,

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they may have been slightly off course because they typically

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would fly closer to the shoreline. Now that that deviation

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to the left or right may not have had any impact,

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but it had a huge impact was the altitude.

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And obviously they flew in the path.

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And so one thing I believe we will see is

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the Blackhawk flew into the path of the landing jet

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and it looks like it hit it on the left

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side of the black Hawk.

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And I have talked to some folks that have flown

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black Hawks.

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I've flown in them, and I've asked courted them in

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Iraq quite a bit, but I've never piloted one myself.

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But most of the folks that are telling me that

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the crew chief would typically.

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Sit on the right side, So that sets up an

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impact because you're not looking easy out the left side.

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Is where the jet was coming from. And then the

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third aspect that you have air traffic controllers.

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I think we will agree that everything we have heard

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is that someone in the tower or someone in that

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ATC center. Let someone go home early, leaving one person

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to do the job of two people. And I am

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confident that we will see that that has an impact

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on this event. So all those things come together in

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an aviation, they line up what we call an aviation

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the Swiss cheese model. You take a bunch of Swiss

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cheese layers, you lay them out, and if all the

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holes line up, you'll have a mishap. And you have

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to prevent those holes from lining up. And that's how

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you prevent mishaps. And in this case, they lined up,

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and we have a tragic event with the massive loss

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of life and the impact everybody in the I hope

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I believe that. I believe everybody's feeling for all the

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victims and all their families.

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Oh absolutely, I know we do here.

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I know.

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Before we came on, I was telling you my husband

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is a twenty years retired Air Force flew in a

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wax when they lost an a wax playing up in

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Alaska in the I believe it was the mid nineties.

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It was. It was a tragedy and they still, you know,

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see that as a tragedy, they still come together. So

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we we mourn with them, and our hearts and prayers

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are with them. We still we need to get all

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of the information out and and to be able to

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fully examine this. And I and you had mentioned about

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the flight experience of the of the pilots. I'm not

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exactly sure, sir about the like maybe a proper procedure,

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if there's like a check and balances that that should

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have occurred. However, you had mentioned a couple of them,

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and I wanted to kind of ask you the questions like,

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could the altimeter setting on the helicopter have been inappropriately

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or incorrectly set and that account for this one hundred

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and twenty five foot discrepancy? Maybe could it have been

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that the flight computer setting was incorrectly entered and that

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pushed them off course? And could it have been that

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they've had maybe some sort of I think people call

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it tunnel vision. Maybe they were looking down and not

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straight ahead and the crew couldn't see off to the side,

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They only saw maybe straight ahead and identified a wrong

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plane because there were other planes in that traffic pattern.

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Could they have identified a different plane in the traffic

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and they thought that one was the one to avoid

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and knock this one off to the side. Maybe with

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your experience, you could maybe speak to some of these

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unfortunate errors that need to be addressed and how they

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should be dealt with.

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Oh, yes, ma'am, I ken.

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The first one is I absolutely believe in my mind

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they were looking at a different airliner.

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Is I've listened to the radio tape.

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The traffic call from air traffic controller is very standard.

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You have traffic I think it was traffic twelve o'clock call,

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when you have the trafficking site, the black Hawks that

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they have the trafficking site.

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When you're lying in any aircraft in a.

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Very complex environment like that, there's many planes, there's many

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helicopters flying. You have to be positive between the communication

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between the air traffic controller and the pilot that you

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see the right traffic. And I have been in that

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position in a Cobra and for this listeners that don't know,

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a Cobra has two pilots, a pilot and a co pilot,

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and we sit tandemly, so we sit right in one

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in front of the other, and it's a very small cockpit.

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But very often.

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When we're talking to ATC, I may see the traffic

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and I'm thinking it's an airplane to my right, and

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my copilot may see the traffic and it's a different airplane.

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We have to resolve that inside the cockpit and then

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with air traffic control. In this scenario, they made the

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appropriate call, it seems to me, but they never went

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back and validated what was it landing traffic or was

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it taking off traffic? And if you see the video,

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there's a plane taking off about the same time you

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see the explosion, and I think it's very possible they.

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Saw that other airplane.

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It was on the right side, which makes me believe

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logically that their focus of attention was to the right side.

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The crew chief was probably looking at.

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Looking at the other airplane on the right side.

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path of the oncoming jet and never see it.

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Just like in many traffic accidents, if.

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right in front of a car that's coming left, and

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then you may have a terrible accident. On the altitude piece,

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they're most likely was an operational radar altimeter in the

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black Hawk, the investigation will determine whether it was operational.

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It is going to shoot a radar being basically from

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the helicopter floor down to the ground and back up,

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and it will tell you exactly what altitude you are.

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earth or a low level, you are relying almost one

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hundred percent off your radar altimeter. Now the differences, and

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I don't know the specifics of the black.

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Hawk radar altimeter, but in a Cobra, you set it out.

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and give you a warning if you go below that.

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So if you hit the rat on the way down,

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it's to prevent you from flying into the ground. But

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you can all also use that to monitor your exact

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location and exact altitude.

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Over the terrain. I suspect their system was working because.

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you will not normally fly night mission. You will you

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will get it fixed, or you will scrub that mission,

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because it's that important of an instrument. Now, as far

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as being off their directive, if they were flying with GPS, navigation.

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flying just from maps, which is a requirement that pilots

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must be able to do. It's harder to stay exact

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on a map, and that could be why they drifted

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off course slightly. And that when you're flying down a

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river it's not that hard to get off course by

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a little bit. You have to be very precise and

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very specific in your flying ability to make sure you

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don't deviate.

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Gotcha, gotcha. Wow, there's a lot to look at, there's

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a lot to unpack. Do you know how long it

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might take them to get an idea? Do you think

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this could take months?

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Number one, No one should rush this. It would not

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surprise me if it takes at least six months, maybe

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up to a year. I personally have been in a mishap.

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I crashed in a cobra back in the day, and

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I went through this long investigation. Fortunately I was exonerated

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from the crash. And I've seen, you know, I've seen

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and witnessed many of them, and I've been witnesses in

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mishaps before, so it's very thorough. I'm confident that all

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the investigations will be very thorough.

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And they should not be rushed.

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And I believe you know, there's obviously a lot of

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scrutiny on this, so that may sort of speed the

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process up, but I hope they take their time do

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a thorough investigation, because not only is it important to

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all the family members that have lost their loved ones,

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it's also important to prevent this from happening again.

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We've got to resolve this problem right on.

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You took me exactly where I wanted to go, Colonel,

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you know, is there someone who is ultimately responsible and

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then what needs to be done to prevent this from

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happening again.

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Well, in the squadron, the Blackhawk squadron, the ultimate person

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responsible for everything that takes place or fails to take

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place in a unit is the commanding officer.

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So somewhere and I've never met this individual, I don't

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know who they are, but in every squadron, in every

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command in the military, one person is ultimately responsible, and

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that is the commanding officer. So that person will be

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certainly reviewed and looked at on whether their procedures either

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help this mishap happen or if they have done everything

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possible to prevent it, And that will come out in

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an investigation. Most assuredly, they will look at everything. The ATC,

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whoever was in charge in ATC that night, you know,

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they may also be responsible for this mishap.

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It's not unusual to get a.

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Altitude or a course correction from air traffic Control when

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you're flying A simple call. A simple call could have

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been I believe a call sign for this aircraft was

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bat to five, but it could have been back five.

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I have you have three hundred feet to send to

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maintain two hundred feet? If that, the tapes should show

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if that was recognized. I read something right before this

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call that a warning did go off inside ATC that

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said there was traffic too close to each other, and

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that was the exact mishap aircraft And what happened to

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that warning they'd not stated yet. So was the air

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traffic controller so busy because it was one of them

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that when that warning went off, they did not have

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time to make an adjustment to save everybody involved.

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Wow, Oh my goodness. Well, let us hope that we

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we get to the bottom of this, and I know

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that we will. I mean, I have no doubt in

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my mind, especially with our our new Secretary of Defense

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Pete hegseeth I and President Trump, you know, in the office,

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and our new Transportation secretary, mister Duffy. But what in

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the in the few moments that we have left, do

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you anticipate there's going to be some sort of policy

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put in place, some sort of revision. Do you think

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that this will that this will create something to be

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put into the military, like they can't fly over Washington

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Reagan anymore, or they'll be like a major policy change

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from this.

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My answer is maybe so.

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I when I flew this route a long time ago,

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my max outitude was one hundred feet.

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I was surprised.

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This was a long time ago that I flew that

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route in a Cobra there was one hundred feet.

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Flying down the river. And then when I heard that

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it was two hundred feet, that was a surprise to me.

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What I would like to see in a marine utility

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helicopter flying mvgs in this almost always we.

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Would have had two crew chiefs in the back.

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We would have had a crew chief, a plane captain,

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and an aerial observer. Had there been an extra human

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being in the back of that black Hawk, that could

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become a policy change. I'd like to see so that

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that person could look out the left side while someone

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is looking out the right. Had that been the case, maybe,

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and I'm not going to say it would have prevented

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this mishap, but maybe it would have. And I was

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surprised when I heard there was only one person in

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the back. That's not Army policy, that's Marine Corps policy,

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or at least it was when I was still in

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It makes sense that you're going to have an extra

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set of eyes on each side.

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Of the aircraft. And in a Cobra, you know you

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don't need it, and you don't need a crucie. If

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there's not one of you can't fit one.

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But I can look left and I can look right

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and I'm looking out the aircraft, whereas in a black Hawk,

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if you are on the right side of the airplane,

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you typically can't see out the left because you have

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a pilot over there.

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An extra creature may have saved the day on this event.

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Wow, Colonel, it has been an honor and a blessing

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to be with you. Thank you so much for being

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with us. This is an incredible conversation and we really

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would like to have more blessings to you. We'd love

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to have you back, sir.

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Well, thank you, mam. I'd love to come back.

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And I would just like to say my heart goes

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out to all the families of the victims into the

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victims themselves, and I'm confident that black Hawk crew will

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will just pray and you know that they're you know,

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they're praying from wherever they are.

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That this never happens to anyone else again.

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Amen, Amen, sir, thank you, thank you, appreciate you. Wow,

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what a great guest. And I know there was a

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comment there about the omni directional radar Troy. I'm going

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to send that out to him so that I can

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type that back to you. I just saw that. I

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want you all just to recognize that there's a next

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guest coming up. It is a pre recorded show, but

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it is amazing and we really need to talk about

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what's going on in our schools. So watch this today.

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For the second part of our show, we have the

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pleasure of sitting down with Leah Wilson to discuss parental

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rights and the expansion of school based healthcare centers, including

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mental health services. Now, this is a growing concern about

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what is being brought into our k through twelve classrooms

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under the disguise of health education at the courtesy of

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the World Health Organization UNESCO and the Center for Disease

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Controls and a few other scattered entities out there. These

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services are often implemented without parental consultation, consent, or knowledge,

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and they include vaccinations, health and diagnostic screenings, sexual education,

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HIV AIDS screening and management, pregnancy related care, abortion referrals possibly,

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counseling assessments, prescriptions, gender affirming care with some transitioning, pharmaceuticals

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and surgical referrals possibly, and social emotional and behavioral adjustment

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and support. These programs are typically run by school districts

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and can be funded by nonprofits and government, including Medicaid.

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So who is in our schools and what does this mean?

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And how can parents fight back? Well, let's ask Leah Wilson.

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She is the executive director and co founder of Stand

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for Health Freedom. She is passionate about children's health and

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has researched and worked on child's welfare issues for more

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than a decade. She is a graduate of the Saint

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Louis University School of Law, and she holds a dual

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bachelor's degree in political science as well as Spanish from

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the Indiana University. In addition to her advocacy work with

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the Health Freedom Movement, she is the owner and former

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operations director of Max Living, Indie, one of the largest

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natural health centers in the Midwest. So welcome with me, Leah. Hello,

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how are you today? Hi Mack, it's great to be here.

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Thanks for having me.

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Well, thank you so much for being on the show

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with us. This is an extremely important topic, Leah. It's

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very concerning, and states seem to be implementing these what

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are called school based health centers and mental health services,

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and I taking it to a trojan horse. It sounds

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really good. All the children's healthcare needs, including mental health

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are in this like one stop shop. But my concern

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is do we really want a school nurse or a

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counselor having this total access to diagnose, treat and prescribe

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for our children? And will this replace like the pediatrician

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and the parents as these medical decision makers of their

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own children. And then where is this rabbit hole really

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going to lead us to? So I know it stands

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for health freedom. You guys have done a ton of

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research and education on this topic. We're scrolling your website

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because we want everyone to go there and look at

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your resources. But for my audience, can you please just

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kind of explain about these school based health centers the

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Mental Health Service is, what are they, why should we

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be concerned, and what is the end goal of this

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push to implement these programs throughout like K through twelve nationwide.

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Yeah, so it's a big topic to talk about, but

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it can also seem a little bit nuanced and detailed,

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so we'll try to make it, you know, absorbable for

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everyone who's listening and why you should care about this.

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It came to our team's attention the school based health

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center issue in twenty twenty one because the governor of

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Indiana had been doing this restructuring study for public health

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in this state and made it one of the top

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priorities to expand school based health centers. So our team

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at that time said, Okay, that seems like it's being

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used as a term of art, like what is a

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school based health center? And we quickly found out that

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school based health centers are in fact not new. They've

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been around for decades and originally were a model that

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came from the UN And what is you know, posited

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as the whole child, whole school, whole community benefit that

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we have wrap around services for our students in their

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place of education because that's where they usually are, so

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we will bring every service to them and make their

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school place where it's a whole community, not just an

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education hub.

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And so at that point in time.

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It was clear that school nursing services, which can be

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used as another term of art. So the school nurse

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model as opposed to the school based health center model,

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had completely different scopes of care. And with school nursing oftentimes,

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you know in state statue even it's relegated to either

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carrying out orders that are already in place, so there's

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no new assessment, diagnosis, prescription, none of that. It's simply

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my child is on this medication. Can you please act

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as my proxy and administer the education during the school day.

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So that's one role that a school nurse place is

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carrying out orders during the school day, and then the

475
00:28:01.400 --> 00:28:05.079
other one is responding to acute situations that pop up

476
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:07.480
during the school day. So does a child have a noseblay,

477
00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:10.839
they respond to the noselay, to the child into the office. Vomiting,

478
00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:13.039
they respond to the vomiting and triage that you know,

479
00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:15.200
is an emergency or something they need to go home for.

480
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:18.920
And so the school nurse services have a very limited scope,

481
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:22.440
but the school based health center services. The intention is

482
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:26.240
for this health center to act as the medical home,

483
00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:31.599
the medical home or the child, and the benefit for

484
00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:35.240
the family is that the parents no longer have to

485
00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:39.000
be interrupted from their workday or from the child's school

486
00:28:39.079 --> 00:28:41.480
day in order to take care of these types of things.

487
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:42.640
Well, what does that do?

488
00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:48.079
That automatically, you know, by default, eliminates the parent from

489
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:52.000
these dynamic situations. And okay, so maybe the parent consents

490
00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:56.920
to being excluded from these situations. However, what we see

491
00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:01.400
is that the parents are signing a blanket consent form

492
00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:04.960
at the very beginning of the school year, not understanding

493
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:08.039
what this actually means. That they will not even have

494
00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:12.119
to be made aware of a child having an assessment

495
00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:17.559
of prescription of treatment, necessary follow up services after an

496
00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:19.720
encounter in this type of health center. So that blanket

497
00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:24.000
consent form is really what opens Pandora's box to a

498
00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:30.200
number of horrible red flags, including that the provider that's

499
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:33.519
seeing this child has no clue what their medical history is,

500
00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:37.160
no clue if they've already received a specific treatment. What

501
00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:39.240
we've also seen. You know, young girls are on one

502
00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:41.160
type of birth control, they go to the school based

503
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:42.759
health center and get on a second type of birth

504
00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:46.440
control without their parents' knowledge or notice or and so

505
00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:50.319
it's just it allows not only for the family unit

506
00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:55.559
to be undermined, which has vast, vast implications. You know,

507
00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:58.920
we cannot even begin to talk about the destruction of

508
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:02.640
a generation when you put a rift between them and

509
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:07.359
their parents, but also the common sense implications of the

510
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:11.599
standard of care plummeting. If you remove a child's advocate

511
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:14.759
from their health care, the standard of care goes down.

512
00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:16.680
I don't care if you're talking about a world class

513
00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:19.480
doctor or you're talking about a doctor's who's a doctor

514
00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:22.720
who's had twenty five complaints against his license. It doesn't matter.

515
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:25.799
If a child is meeting with a professional by him

516
00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:29.640
or herself, without a patient advocate, without their parent, that

517
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:33.000
standard of care just goes down to the dumps, to

518
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:36.240
an unacceptable level. And we don't want that for our kids.

519
00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:38.599
I mean, none of us are going to deny that

520
00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:43.279
schools are struggling in a massive way to meet their

521
00:30:43.319 --> 00:30:45.559
expectations with the level of education.

522
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:48.559
Our kids need. So why would we add.

523
00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:53.119
This behemoth responsibility within their four walls to then take

524
00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:57.599
on another facet of a child's life, which is the

525
00:30:57.640 --> 00:30:58.759
responsibility of the parent.

526
00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:05.279
Yeah. Absolutely, you know, Leah, I'm a nurse and many

527
00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:09.519
of my friends were school nurses, and I can remember

528
00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:14.319
them telling me that they just are overwhelmed and inundated

529
00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:18.359
with just the day's activities of taking care of maybe

530
00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:21.480
somebody who is a you know, chronically ill child, or

531
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:24.079
or maybe a child who had an infection and they

532
00:31:24.119 --> 00:31:28.559
have to have ivy antibiotics or you know, even things

533
00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:32.559
such as teen pregnancy. Not to mention just that you know,

534
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:35.240
I ran into the wall or I fell at school

535
00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:39.119
or whatever, so to put this upon them and I

536
00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:42.400
know that, And I'm just speaking about the nurses now.

537
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:45.039
Most of them are are like me. There are a

538
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:51.160
bachelor's degree, they don't have a license to prescribe. And

539
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:54.960
so I mean, to me, this is a very dangerous

540
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:58.839
area that we are not just putting the children in,

541
00:31:58.920 --> 00:32:01.880
but we are putting that nurse in as well. To me,

542
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:05.839
it seems like we're overreaching the scope to the maximum degree,

543
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:09.400
and that's a danger Will Robinson position to be in.

544
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:13.799
Yes, and what the most, there's no cookie cutter situation

545
00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:16.559
for school based health centers, right, I mean, these basically

546
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:21.400
are school community organization, so your school corporation and a

547
00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:25.480
contract with a healthcare community organization, most likely either a

548
00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:30.160
physicians group or a hospital hospital association. So because they

549
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:32.519
come in so many different flavors, it's hard to nail

550
00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:36.000
down for you know, influencing your lawmaker to say this

551
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:38.599
shouldn't happen because it looks like this, you know what

552
00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:42.039
I mean. But what we do know is that they

553
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:46.680
are bringing in physician groups, so they will put physicians

554
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:50.039
on site to build relationships with these kids. Because one

555
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:53.440
of the stated goals and the materials that we've come

556
00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:58.519
across says that it will be a benefit to these

557
00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:02.599
for these children to learn to trust their medical providers.

558
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:06.319
And it's interesting because when you look at a minor

559
00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:10.799
child as I would be greatly offended. You know, I

560
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:14.079
would never say to another mother, oh, I want your

561
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:15.400
child to learn to trust me.

562
00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:18.359
You know what I mean. It's no, no, no, Your child.

563
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:20.519
Needs to learn to trust the mother's guidance and the

564
00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:25.759
mother's oversight, not the professionals. But that's exactly what purpose

565
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:28.920
these school based health centers serve and I think that

566
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:31.839
you can argue that it's good they're regulated on the

567
00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:34.440
local level or they're the oversights on the local level,

568
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:37.599
But the problem is there's like zero oversight even on

569
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:42.160
the local level to say what these organizations institutions can

570
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:45.880
look like within our school walls, within public education. I mean,

571
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:48.000
I don't know if they're going into private schools or not.

572
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:49.799
But what we've seen so far and what we care

573
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:53.240
about with you know, statutory regulations, is that let's get

574
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:56.039
healthcare out of schools. Let's make sure that we're not

575
00:33:56.119 --> 00:34:00.279
intertwining a very sensitive area of a parent's right heights

576
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:03.799
into education. I mean, if you just as if we

577
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:06.039
sat back in zoom out, even as moms.

578
00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:06.880
With the.

579
00:34:08.440 --> 00:34:12.199
Baton that we have passed to the school systems. You know,

580
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:14.559
first it was teaching our kids to read, and then

581
00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:17.000
it was their manners, and then it was their lunches,

582
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:20.400
their nutrition for at least one or two meals every

583
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:23.199
single day, and now it's health. I mean, we got

584
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:25.559
to say no, this has gone too far. The dominoes

585
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:28.639
have fallen too far, and it's time for parents to

586
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:31.679
work up and say, yes, we recognize we got to

587
00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:34.000
take our kids nutrition back, and by god, we're not

588
00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:35.119
going to give away their health care.

589
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:40.440
Yeah. Absolutely, I mean, and that is so private and

590
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:43.840
so intimate. I want to kind of touch on because

591
00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:48.360
I was doing some research and saw that the CDC

592
00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:53.840
had partnered with the United Nations UNESCO, you know, unis SEF.

593
00:34:54.440 --> 00:35:00.599
They initiated the development of the Global School Based Student

594
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:04.880
Health Surveys and it was designed as like this collaborative

595
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:10.960
surveillance project really to collect data on health behaviors such

596
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:15.599
as mental health. And then on stand for Health Freedom website,

597
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:18.079
there was this article that I saw on what was

598
00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:24.800
called the kooth kootch app that stated this was a

599
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:31.639
service for those seeking mental health support. So, Leah, what

600
00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:35.199
are these tools? I mean, is and is there a

601
00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:39.320
hidden agenda here? It seems like it to me. But

602
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:43.239
I want parents and concerned citizens to be aware if

603
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:47.239
there's something that really needs to stand out to them about.

604
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:51.039
These Absolutely, and this is so these kooth apps and

605
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:54.559
apps like kouth that provide mental health services to kids

606
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:57.760
in schools without their parents' knowledge and permission, UH are

607
00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:03.159
coming through the trojan horse of mental health funding for schools.

608
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:06.079
So it seems like you go to your lawmakers, there's

609
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:11.239
bipartisan unanimous support to increase mental health funding for our schools. Well,

610
00:36:11.239 --> 00:36:14.679
how are those dollars being used. They're being used to

611
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:19.920
contract with third party vendors to bring in easy access

612
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:23.400
to things like KUTH and I have here with me

613
00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:26.719
actually because we have been helping kill bills with this

614
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:31.760
handy one pager. It's on the website too about KOUTH

615
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:35.360
and it talks about how there were three million dollars

616
00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:38.519
that funded koths in the state of Pennsylvania for a

617
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:43.000
pilot project for thirty school districts. And when you go

618
00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:46.039
on this app and the screenshots that you can grab

619
00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:49.039
from this app when our team was doing the investigative

620
00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:52.280
research to educate our lawmakers, I mean, this is all

621
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:59.480
about Happy Pride Month, coming Out month, transition education, racism, education,

622
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:04.760
stop saying sorry, global leaders are taking action on climate change.

623
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:09.239
I mean this is very politically driven messaging to our

624
00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:13.280
vulnerable youth without their parents' knowledge. And a lot of

625
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:16.239
the lawmakers have been concerned because there's a lot of

626
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:20.599
DEI ideology that provides the foundation for this.

627
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:22.119
And so what are the services?

628
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:25.840
The services, as they say, are it's a peer to

629
00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:31.960
peer self directed platform with student counselor connections, So there's

630
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:35.039
students and counselors so that these children can connect with

631
00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:39.679
professional counselor, but it's also peer to peer and self directed,

632
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:43.039
so they're going in and you know what happens if

633
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:46.480
an adult gets an account and poses as a child.

634
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:49.239
Then is this just as dangerous as the online platforms

635
00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:50.960
that we're trying to protect our children from.

636
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:52.360
And so this might.

637
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:56.480
Seem compassionate, but the most compassionate thing that we can

638
00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:59.039
do on a policy level for our children that are

639
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:03.079
struggling under massive amounts of anxiety and depression is to

640
00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:08.840
empower families to succeed. Because when you have these these services,

641
00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:12.159
they're positive as oh, well, they won't have to miss

642
00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:14.480
school to have the service, and they'll definitely be connected.

643
00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:17.400
There's access to services, and it won't be gaps and services.

644
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:20.880
But actually it accomplishes quite the opposite, because when they

645
00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:23.719
go home and the parents don't know, of course, there's

646
00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:26.239
gonna be a gap in services, there's a gap in implementation,

647
00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:30.800
a gap and follow up of fall through unidentified side

648
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:34.320
effects that might happen, and just you go on and

649
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:36.320
on and you don't know, if something changed in your

650
00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:38.840
child's life when you see a change in them, it's like, oh,

651
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:42.440
why if I've been noticing this distinct behavior when you

652
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:45.119
don't even know what changed about your own child's life

653
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:48.800
without knowledge, such as them enrolling in a counseling program.

654
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:52.280
So it's something that we are definitely concerned about with

655
00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:55.639
these third party programs and filtrating our schools. It definitely

656
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:59.920
reeks of the UN agenda to collect this in from

657
00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:04.280
on digital platforms that do not have hippa you know

658
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:07.199
hip as a joke in and of itself. However, this

659
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.480
isn't even covered by that. You know, these for profit

660
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:14.400
digital apps are you know, they're governed by technology and

661
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:17.400
consumer laws and things of that nature, but not based

662
00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:21.239
on clearing houses and insurance companies and doctors' offices. So

663
00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:24.760
there is a big concern when it comes to what

664
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:26.960
is what are they doing with the avatars of our

665
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:27.639
young children?

666
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:33.800
And that kind of brings me to the point of parents,

667
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:40.920
because there has been a huge stripping of parental rights

668
00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:47.360
with regards to the school based healthcare services, and especially

669
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:50.639
the last four years in the in the Biden Harrison administration.

670
00:39:51.559 --> 00:39:54.199
Back in twenty twenty one, there was a teacher in

671
00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:59.760
Washington who was distributing a flyer advising the middle school

672
00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:03.400
st students that they could obtain abortions without parental consent.

673
00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:08.920
We've heard about parents who have been protesting against these

674
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:15.239
secret policies within the schools that have focused on gender transitioning.

675
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:19.599
And then just this past month, we saw that the

676
00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:24.719
Vermont's Supreme Court had a ruling that allowed schools to

677
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:31.639
administer these COVID vaccines without parental consent. So, Leah, this

678
00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:36.960
is also extremely concerning. It's all extremely concerning. But my

679
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:40.920
thought is, how do we stop that freight train? What

680
00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:45.480
should parents do? What do concern citizens need to do?

681
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:49.039
Stop the freight train of disarming parents. That's a I mean,

682
00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:53.039
I think one of the big elements that has already

683
00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:56.320
or is in process of being accomplished, is that these

684
00:40:56.360 --> 00:40:59.440
issues are being talked about. You know, I was having

685
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:03.880
lunch with someone who is very involved in promoting health

686
00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:07.119
freedom and she said, you know, she said, you know,

687
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:10.239
it's almost six years ago where I prayed God please

688
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:13.320
allow vaccination to be a conversation at every kitchen table

689
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:16.559
in America, and now look like we were seeing this happen.

690
00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:19.000
And that's exactly right when you that's why stand for

691
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:22.079
health Freedom started. When you shine enough light that the

692
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:27.760
cover of darkness can't proceed without being exposed, that's the answer,

693
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:30.480
and that's you know, us talking about these things is

694
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:34.559
extremely powerful. Knowledge is power, and parents want what is

695
00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:38.039
best for their child, and when they understand that there

696
00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:42.440
are horses out there that want the opposite, then they

697
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:47.840
will embrace their duties and responsibilities to guard that child

698
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:50.280
in a greater way. And if we don't know those

699
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:53.360
things are lurking, then we're caught off guard. And so

700
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:57.119
our desire is that parents have the information that they

701
00:41:57.159 --> 00:42:02.119
want and need in order to give informed consent for

702
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:05.239
any time their child's information is given away, because privacy

703
00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:09.199
deserves informed consent too. You know, giving away private information

704
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:13.639
is a matter of informed consent, and so is participation

705
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:19.800
in any type of testing or assessment or diagnosis. It

706
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:22.639
doesn't have to be that you issued a prescription for

707
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:25.679
informed consent to be violated. I mean that connection and

708
00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:28.840
those words of an expert, even spoken in a child's presence,

709
00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:32.360
is a violation informed consent without a parent's knowledge.

710
00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:33.760
Quite frankly, so, I.

711
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:37.920
Think that step one is get curious, be engaging in

712
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:40.960
these types of conversations. Know what's going on in your schools.

713
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:44.599
It takes effort. Believe me, as a mother of three

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very different school age children, it is It's way easier

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just to trust the adults that are there and not

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have to keep track of what they're being taught and

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what experts are coming in to speak to them and

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where they're going on.

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Their field trips.

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But it's worth it, and I think that there is

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a huge shift and there's a mom's revolution underway to

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say that these are our children and we are going

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to know what goes on with them, and that we

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care to an extent that we're all taking Civics class again.

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You know, people never even knew what a confirmation hearing

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was before Robert F. Kennedy Junior went through that process

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to become the next Health and Human Services Secretary, and

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now people across the nation care that he gets through

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his confirmation process and that they will know the name

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of our Health and Human Services secretary. So I'm excited

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just to watch the unfolding of these conversations taking place

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in the mainstream and for us to hold our elected

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officials accountable for what does come across their desk, for

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what they're made aware of, and that's why Vote for

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Health Freedom exists, and that's why we're here to hopefully

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make all of these processes easier for you so that

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you can have an action step to take and find

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hope in that action instead of feeling overwhelmed and like

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you might need to go off the grid and hide

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under a rock for the rest of your life, because

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that's not the solution, because there are children and grandchildren

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to come after us, and we're responsible for shaping this

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culture for them too.

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Thank you so much, Leah God bless you. We hope

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to have you back soon. We'd love to have a

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further conversation about this. Thank you, Thank you, Mick talkson

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you Bet, thank.

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You so much for being with us. Thank you all

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for being with us today, and thanks for interacting with us.

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We're going to see you next week. Remember, resistance is

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not futile and blessings to you all.

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It's time to stand up, speak out, get involved, and

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let's be intentional